Rear end problems?
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From: Ray O on 7 Sep 2009 03:57 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2009.09.07.04.42.53.657819(a)e86.GTS... > On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 13:28:23 -0500, Ray O wrote: > >> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:pan.2009.09.06.00.51.35.27850(a)e86.GTS... >>> My '88 Supra. >>> >>> Sometimes, if I turn the wheels and come to a stop, when I go to start >>> off >>> again it feels like something is loose in the rear end. It's like a >>> shift >>> from one side to the other. This car has the LSD option. >>> >>> Of course, I crawled around under the car and everything is tight. >>> I need to bleed the brakes, and probably need new pads and rotors for >>> the >>> rear, but that will probably wait until spring. When I do lift the rear >>> end, I'll check the shafts, but when I had it up last year they seemed >>> fine. A cursory check shows boots OK, no rips or tears. >>> >>> I have access to another LSD rear end. The current one is full of gear >>> oil >>> (fresh drain and fill last summer) with a proper LSD additive. When I >>> first did the change last year, it went away for a short time. >>> >>> I checked the level the other day, and it is full. >>> >>> Maybe I'll try some more additive...? >>> >> >> When you say "turn the wheels" do you mean rotate the rear wheels or do >> you >> mean turn the steering wheel? > > Yeah. Steering wheel. If I come to a stop straight on, it usually doesn't > do it. Esp if I have just come out of a turn oney way, turn the wheels > (steering whel) to set up for a turn in the opposite direction, come to a > stop and then go, it exhibits this problem. Also, note too that the > U-Joints are SHOT! > >> >> Assuming that the car hasn't always behaved like that and that "turning >> the >> wheels" means turning the steering wheel, check: >> >> Lug nut torque, make sure the rear wheels are properly seated and tires >> inflated. > > This is all OK. > >> >> Suspension mounts, bushings, springs - play in a part that controls >> lateral >> movement of the rear end, crushed or hardened bushings., etc. > > Old springs (20 years...) bad shocks (I have no idea...) crushed, > hardened, crumbling bushings. It's a bit hard to find bushings. There is a > guy that actually contacted a company in his area, made molds from a good > set of bushings, and sells polyurethane bushings front and rear for this > car, but they are stiff. Better than what I have, though. I'm going to do > the entire suspension either before I put the car away for the winter, or > next spring. I have a set of springs that have ~20,000 miles on them. > Any of this stuff could cause the condition, but you would probably also have symptoms when driving. > > The front bushings, on the lower control arm cannot be bought separate > otherwise. To get them from Toyota you have to buy the entire lower > control arm for $200 each... Ouch! > >> >> Look for rips in the CV joint boots, grease on the underbody, etc. > > That all looks OK. > >> >> check the bolts on the companion flanges for the shafts > > The who? Hmmm.... > Companion flanges are the the round pieces at the ends of the driveshaft that mate with the round pieces on the transmission and differential. >> >> Check diff fluid level > > Full. So full with both rear wheels off the ground it STILL ran out when I > removed the filler. > >> >> Assuming that you mixed the proper amount of LSD additive, I wouldn't add >> more. > > > I'm pretty anal about mixing it correctly.... > > I wouldn't add more. I don't think the problem is differential - related unless it showed up right after you changed the diff fluid. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Jeff Strickland on 7 Sep 2009 09:47 "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message news:c62dnWrP8_3NsTnXnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> And, Germany does not hide the fact that it is a socialist economy. >> >> In a free market economy, the government is not supposed to provide >> anything, everything should come from the market. Obviously, a pure free >> market can't serve everybody, or won't. > > The people in Germany had a hand in choosing the system, and this is > what they preferred. It is similar in France, Norway, Denmark, the > Netherlands, etc. > Socialism in this sense has nothing to do with communism. If Americans > wanted communism, they would have voted for Obama. > <scratching head> I have to check on that, but I think we did. Yup, that's what happened, we voted for Obama. </scratching head>
From: Jeff Strickland on 7 Sep 2009 09:52 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:AZXom.19325$UH2.8500(a)newsfe01.iad... > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:h80n7j$1ip$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:r4Fom.9118$nP6.8218(a)newsfe25.iad... >>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:h7v6fg$m10$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>> news:WQEom.9116$nP6.2615(a)newsfe25.iad... >>>>> By the way, you never finished explaining your problem with Germany's >>>>> health care system. I know why you never finished, but I thought I'd >>>>> remind you before you pretend to forget. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I asked: >>>>>> So, when we rank below a country like Germany, what, if any, are your >>>>>> thoughts about that? >>>>> >>>>> You responded: >>>>>>That there's a real good reason for not letting ANY government >>>>>>involved in >>>>>>healthcare. At all. >>>>> >>>>> What's your problem with Germany's health care system? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Germany's system is drowing. They are taking steps to fix the problems, >>>> but expect the changes to take many years to implement. >>>> >>>> What is your attraction to Germany's health care system? >>> >>> >>> I have no attraction to Germany's system, and you never saw me post >>> anything even remotely suggesting such a thing. >>> >> >> NEWSFLASH >> When you (JoeWithOneBrainCellAndIt'sDead) ask, "What's your problem with >> Germany's health care system?" the implication is that you somehow think >> it is good (that means ATTRACTIVE), and something, we the USA, should >> strive to emulate. So, I ask again, what is your attraction to Germany's >> health care system? > > > No, that's not the implication at all. The Hack made a factual > misrepresentation of Germany's health care system when he said this: > > "That there's a real good reason for not letting ANY government involved > in healthcare. At all." > > My question about Germany was a request for clarification. > > Germany's system is FAILING. They cannot continue it as it was originally put together. They are reworking it, and expect it to take several years to fix it. The factual misrepresentation was really factually correct. Sorry to confuse you with facts, but that happens alot with you.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 7 Sep 2009 10:18 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:h83373$487$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:AZXom.19325$UH2.8500(a)newsfe01.iad... >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:h80n7j$1ip$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>> news:r4Fom.9118$nP6.8218(a)newsfe25.iad... >>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:h7v6fg$m10$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:WQEom.9116$nP6.2615(a)newsfe25.iad... >>>>>> By the way, you never finished explaining your problem with Germany's >>>>>> health care system. I know why you never finished, but I thought I'd >>>>>> remind you before you pretend to forget. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I asked: >>>>>>> So, when we rank below a country like Germany, what, if any, are >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> thoughts about that? >>>>>> >>>>>> You responded: >>>>>>>That there's a real good reason for not letting ANY government >>>>>>>involved in >>>>>>>healthcare. At all. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's your problem with Germany's health care system? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Germany's system is drowing. They are taking steps to fix the >>>>> problems, but expect the changes to take many years to implement. >>>>> >>>>> What is your attraction to Germany's health care system? >>>> >>>> >>>> I have no attraction to Germany's system, and you never saw me post >>>> anything even remotely suggesting such a thing. >>>> >>> >>> NEWSFLASH >>> When you (JoeWithOneBrainCellAndIt'sDead) ask, "What's your problem with >>> Germany's health care system?" the implication is that you somehow think >>> it is good (that means ATTRACTIVE), and something, we the USA, should >>> strive to emulate. So, I ask again, what is your attraction to Germany's >>> health care system? >> >> >> No, that's not the implication at all. The Hack made a factual >> misrepresentation of Germany's health care system when he said this: >> >> "That there's a real good reason for not letting ANY government involved >> in healthcare. At all." >> >> My question about Germany was a request for clarification. >> >> > > Germany's system is FAILING. They cannot continue it as it was originally > put together. They are reworking it, and expect it to take several years > to fix it. That may be true, but I'm not debating its success. You keep mentioning it for some reason. > > The factual misrepresentation was really factually correct. Sorry to > confuse you with facts, but that happens alot with you. I'm focused on the Hack's use of the word "government" in his statement: "That there's a real good reason for not letting ANY government involved in healthcare. At all." However, I find this mentioned by many reliable sources: "But many wealthy countries -- including Germany, the Netherlands, Japan and Switzerland -- provide universal coverage using private doctors, private hospitals and private insurance plans." Do you see why I question the Hack's use of the word "government"? There may be SOME gov't involvement in Germany's health plan, but it's certainly not a "socialist" system, as the Hack and other dropouts like to call it. By the way, what about the huge socialist health care system we already have in this country? It's been around for quite a long time. What do you think we should replace it with? You know the socialist system I'm referring to. You're an expert.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 7 Sep 2009 10:44
On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 02:57:42 -0500, Ray O wrote: > > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:pan.2009.09.07.04.42.53.657819(a)e86.GTS... >> On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 13:28:23 -0500, Ray O wrote: >> >> >>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:pan.2009.09.06.00.51.35.27850(a)e86.GTS... >>>> My '88 Supra. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, if I turn the wheels and come to a stop, when I go to start >>>> off >>>> again it feels like something is loose in the rear end. It's like a >>>> shift >>>> from one side to the other. This car has the LSD option. >>>> >>>> Of course, I crawled around under the car and everything is tight. I >>>> need to bleed the brakes, and probably need new pads and rotors for >>>> the >>>> rear, but that will probably wait until spring. When I do lift the >>>> rear end, I'll check the shafts, but when I had it up last year they >>>> seemed fine. A cursory check shows boots OK, no rips or tears. >>>> >>>> I have access to another LSD rear end. The current one is full of gear >>>> oil >>>> (fresh drain and fill last summer) with a proper LSD additive. When I >>>> first did the change last year, it went away for a short time. >>>> >>>> I checked the level the other day, and it is full. >>>> >>>> Maybe I'll try some more additive...? >>>> >>>> >>> When you say "turn the wheels" do you mean rotate the rear wheels or do >>> you >>> mean turn the steering wheel? >> >> Yeah. Steering wheel. If I come to a stop straight on, it usually >> doesn't do it. Esp if I have just come out of a turn oney way, turn the >> wheels (steering whel) to set up for a turn in the opposite direction, >> come to a stop and then go, it exhibits this problem. Also, note too >> that the U-Joints are SHOT! >> >> >>> Assuming that the car hasn't always behaved like that and that "turning >>> the >>> wheels" means turning the steering wheel, check: >>> >>> Lug nut torque, make sure the rear wheels are properly seated and tires >>> inflated. >> >> This is all OK. >> >> >>> Suspension mounts, bushings, springs - play in a part that controls >>> lateral >>> movement of the rear end, crushed or hardened bushings., etc. >> >> Old springs (20 years...) bad shocks (I have no idea...) crushed, >> hardened, crumbling bushings. It's a bit hard to find bushings. There is >> a guy that actually contacted a company in his area, made molds from a >> good set of bushings, and sells polyurethane bushings front and rear for >> this car, but they are stiff. Better than what I have, though. I'm going >> to do the entire suspension either before I put the car away for the >> winter, or next spring. I have a set of springs that have ~20,000 miles >> on them. >> >> > Any of this stuff could cause the condition, but you would probably also > have symptoms when driving. > > >> The front bushings, on the lower control arm cannot be bought separate >> otherwise. To get them from Toyota you have to buy the entire lower >> control arm for $200 each... > > Ouch! >> >> >>> Look for rips in the CV joint boots, grease on the underbody, etc. >> >> That all looks OK. >> >> >>> check the bolts on the companion flanges for the shafts >> >> The who? Hmmm.... >> >> > Companion flanges are the the round pieces at the ends of the driveshaft > that mate with the round pieces on the transmission and differential. > > >>> Check diff fluid level >> >> Full. So full with both rear wheels off the ground it STILL ran out when >> I removed the filler. >> >> >>> Assuming that you mixed the proper amount of LSD additive, I wouldn't >>> add more. >> >> >> I'm pretty anal about mixing it correctly.... >> >> >> > I wouldn't add more. > > I don't think the problem is differential - related unless it showed up > right after you changed the diff fluid. It went away for a while after I changed the gear oil and replaced it with LSD oil + GM additive, which was recommended by Toyota (and you, IIRC...) I used to use Ford in the Hachiroku, because that was all I could get... |