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From: Scott Dorsey on 6 Sep 2009 17:47 Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >Our system can stand some work, no question on that. The question is, should >we fix the parts that don't work so well, or turn the whole thing over to >government and bring the parts that do work well down to the level of the >parts that don't -- thereby levelling out the system? Nobody has suggested doing that. Well, Nixon suggested it, but he was a Republican so it was okay. Actually read the Obama proposal. It's interesting. It's got some good points and some bad points, but it does NOT turn everything over to the government and create Medicare for the whole country or anything. What it DOES do is to make a Medicare-like option available for people who want it, meaning that insurance companies will have to learn how to compete and actually start operating like the co-operatives that they started out as. For the most part, our health care system works very, very well at taking care of very sick people. For everyone else, it kind of falls apart, and any attempts at keeping people from getting sick in the first place seem to be pretty much absent. It's not in the health care companies' best interests to keep you from getting sick, it's in their best interests to give you as much acute care as possible. This is very dysfunctional. The thing is, that's something that isn't going to change without a far more radical restructuring than Obama is proposing. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 6 Sep 2009 19:51 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:h80svu$fiv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Scott Dorsey" <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in message > news:h80p96$chm$1(a)panix2.panix.com... >> Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>NEWSFLASH >>>When you (JoeWithOneBrainCellAndIt'sDead) ask, "What's your problem with >>>Germany's health care system?" the implication is that you somehow think >>>it >>>is good (that means ATTRACTIVE), and something, we the USA, should strive >>>to >>>emulate. So, I ask again, what is your attraction to Germany's health >>>care >>>system? >> >> Well, for one thing, it actually exists. And it cares for people's >> health. >> Sadly, we don't have such a thing in the US, what we have is a system >> that >> is all about making profits. >> >> I'm not against making profits at all, mind you, but there's a point at >> which you have to stand back and wonder where 25% of the GDP is really >> going. >> --scott > > > Germany's health care plan is in disarray. They are in the midst of > several major changes that they estimate will take YEARS to implement. > Yes, they have health care, but they also have serious problems funding > it. They are finding it to be far more costly than they expected, and they > have high unemployment so tax collections are small -- not large enough to > keep up with the health care demands. > > And, Germany does not hide the fact that it is a socialist economy. > We already have at least one "socialist" health care system in this country. Do you think we should abolish it? You know which one I mean. You're an expert on socialism and health care.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 6 Sep 2009 19:55 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:h80n7j$1ip$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:r4Fom.9118$nP6.8218(a)newsfe25.iad... >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:h7v6fg$m10$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >>> news:WQEom.9116$nP6.2615(a)newsfe25.iad... >>>> By the way, you never finished explaining your problem with Germany's >>>> health care system. I know why you never finished, but I thought I'd >>>> remind you before you pretend to forget. >>>> >>>> >>>> I asked: >>>>> So, when we rank below a country like Germany, what, if any, are your >>>>> thoughts about that? >>>> >>>> You responded: >>>>>That there's a real good reason for not letting ANY government involved >>>>>in >>>>>healthcare. At all. >>>> >>>> What's your problem with Germany's health care system? >>>> >>> >>> Germany's system is drowing. They are taking steps to fix the problems, >>> but expect the changes to take many years to implement. >>> >>> What is your attraction to Germany's health care system? >> >> >> I have no attraction to Germany's system, and you never saw me post >> anything even remotely suggesting such a thing. >> > > NEWSFLASH > When you (JoeWithOneBrainCellAndIt'sDead) ask, "What's your problem with > Germany's health care system?" the implication is that you somehow think > it is good (that means ATTRACTIVE), and something, we the USA, should > strive to emulate. So, I ask again, what is your attraction to Germany's > health care system? No, that's not the implication at all. The Hack made a factual misrepresentation of Germany's health care system when he said this: "That there's a real good reason for not letting ANY government involved in healthcare. At all." My question about Germany was a request for clarification.
From: Scott Dorsey on 6 Sep 2009 20:29 JoeSpareBedroom <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > >We already have at least one "socialist" health care system in this country. >Do you think we should abolish it? You know which one I mean. You're an >expert on socialism and health care. You mean the one where members of congress get free health care that is paid for by the taxpayers? I'd be in favor of abolishing that one. Let them have to deal with the insurance companies like the rest of America and I'd bet you'd see a big change... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 6 Sep 2009 20:32
"Scott Dorsey" <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in message news:h81k57$2np$1(a)panix2.panix.com... > JoeSpareBedroom <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: >> >>We already have at least one "socialist" health care system in this >>country. >>Do you think we should abolish it? You know which one I mean. You're an >>expert on socialism and health care. > > You mean the one where members of congress get free health care that is > paid for by the taxpayers? I'd be in favor of abolishing that one. Let > them have to deal with the insurance companies like the rest of America > and I'd bet you'd see a big change... > --scott Nope. That's not the one I was referring to. |