From: ed_herman on 24 Sep 2009 08:27 Another brand is Hawk. I believe they make rotors and pads. You sometimes can find them on Ebay. Hawk street performance is one line of pads. One thought hyped is that they are low dust. I was curious if you had retorqued the lug nuts in a cross pattern, then I see you said 'only when hot'. Good luck and keep us posted in your choice/ results. Does your 4Rnr have a rear proportioning valve? You could adjust it to have more rear braking. I am happy having done that on my 2004 Taco.
From: Jeff Strickland on 24 Sep 2009 11:12 "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message news:h9eq5g$84l$3(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:h9e3qk$3ag$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:pan.2009.09.23.21.18.08.124947(a)e86.GTS... >>>>> >>>> Rear Drum brakes self-adjust by using the parking brake? Are you sure? >>> >>> On my 2 Tercels. Pulling the e brake (parking brake?) lever actuated the >>> adjusters. >>> >> >> >> Hmmm ... >> >> I've never heard that before. I musta been sleeping. >> > > Wake up! Hachi is correct. > -- > I believe him (and you), but I have no platform from which I can test what you guys are telling me, so I can't confirm or deny.
From: Jeff Strickland on 24 Sep 2009 12:19
"Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message news:h9eq5e$84l$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:h9duqo$lrr$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> I'm confused. >> >> Once the rotors warp, they remain warped until they are machined or >> replaced. Warping is not a transient condition where the experience is on >> a mountain road but not on other roads. And, braking on a mountain road >> should be lighter and more evenly applied on a mountain road than in >> other places. The brakes might be used more often, but the braking ought >> not be "harder". It you are driving into a turn and mashing the brakes, >> your passengers are probably on the verge of puking. >> >> Having said that, slots and crossdrilling are done to help extract heat. > > Not quite. The slots and cross drilling on the rotors allow the gases > that the pads generate when heated to escape more easily. If the gas > can't be cleared from between the pad and rotor quickly enough, the effect > is kind of like an air hockey table, reducing the contact between the pad > and rotor and creating brake fade. The slots in some pads serve the same > purpose. > -- Slots allow the gas to escape, crossdrilling increases the exposed surface area so that cooling can be distributed more evenly and quicker. Slots and crossdrilled holes are typically only made on high performance brake parts, except pads. Low performance brakes don't care, and the pads may or may not have a slot cut into them, depending on the whim of the parts-maker. Granted, OEM parts may specify a groove cut into the pad, but as a practical matter, replacement parts might or might not actually have the same gorrve, and life isn't going to change if the groove is missing. It is probably not worth the cost-up to change rotors from a standard rotor to a slotted and/or crossdrilled rotor if viewed from the perspective of increased performance. I made the change on my BMW solely for the looks of the holes and slots, but my driving style does not require holes and slots and my car does not have holes and slots available from official BMW sources -- I had to get mine from an aftermarket source. If anybody has a car that is fitted with standard rotors, making an upgrade to slotted and crossdrilled rotors is not going to make much difference in braking performance or reliability. |