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From: Built_Well on 16 Oct 2007 09:56 Ray O wrote: > "Scott in Florida" <JustAskl(a)verizon.net> wrote in message > news:5164h35k9ba5rg1lhmnuph4i00hjpf3fcu(a)4ax.com... > > On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:32:00 -0500, Built_Well > > <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>Ray O wrote: > >> > >>> IMO, paying extra for lifetime wheel balance is a waste of money because > >>> wheels rarely go out of balance once they have been balanced. > >>======== > >> > >>That's what I thought. I've thought for years that the need to balance > >>tires is rare, but then one of the techs at Walmart the other day was > >>telling me that I should have the tires balanced every other rotation, > >>because tires easily become unbalanced, like from dips into potholes and > >>other reasons. > >> > >>I know I had my old Tercel's tires balanced at Ewers once, and they > >>were never the same again. > > > > I hate to disagree with Ray, but at least in the case of the wheels on > > my '92 Corolla, they DO go out of balance. Just a little is very > > irritating, especially on a light car like mine. > > > > -- > > Scott in Florida > > > > I'll have to check out your car if I ever get down to Florida. As long as > the wheel-hub mating surfaces are clean, and the wheels are torqued properly > when they are installed, and the wheels do not lose weights, and the tires > wear evenly, they should not go out of balance. I apply a very thin coat of > anti-seize where the wheel touches the hub to prevent corrosion so the wheel > mates cleanly to the hub. ======== The book "Auto Upkeep" also recommends anti-seize compound to reduce rust. Unfortunately, the tech at my Toyota dealership did not apply any compound to the wheels/hubs. He just removed the tires and rotated them. I watched the tech carefully. So that $1.75 I was charged by the dealership for "miscellaneous shop supplies" definitely was /not/ for the anti-seize compound. It also was not for the drain plug washer, a.k.a. "gasket," which was itemized on the bill separately as "gasket" (don't know why they don't just call it a washer; I suppose the nearly 2 dollars they charged for the washer makes high-falutin' "gasket" sound better ;-) So the $1.75 for "miscellaneous shop supplies" could only have been for the cup's worth of blue water they put into my windshield washer fluid reservoir ;-)
From: Built_Well on 16 Oct 2007 10:12 How likely is it that the Camry's wheels/hubs are starting to rust as we speak because the tech did not apply anti-seize compound, like Ray and "Auto Upkeep" recommend?
From: Retired VIP on 16 Oct 2007 20:52 On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:56:36 -0700, Built_Well <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Ray O wrote: >> "Scott in Florida" <JustAskl(a)verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:5164h35k9ba5rg1lhmnuph4i00hjpf3fcu(a)4ax.com... >> > On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 01:32:00 -0500, Built_Well >> > <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> > snipped a bit > >The book "Auto Upkeep" also recommends anti-seize compound >to reduce rust. Unfortunately, the tech at my Toyota >dealership did not apply any compound to the wheels/hubs. >He just removed the tires and rotated them. I watched >the tech carefully. > >So that $1.75 I was charged by the dealership for >"miscellaneous shop supplies" definitely was >/not/ for the anti-seize compound. It also was >not for the drain plug washer, a.k.a. "gasket," which >was itemized on the bill separately as "gasket" (don't >know why they don't just call it a washer; I suppose >the nearly 2 dollars they charged for the washer >makes high-falutin' "gasket" sound better ;-) > >So the $1.75 for "miscellaneous shop supplies" could >only have been for the cup's worth of blue water >they put into my windshield washer fluid reservoir ;-) Now you know why I never take my car to the dealer for routine service. Overhead, which is what "Miscellaneous shop supplies" is, should be included in the hourly rate or the job rate the shop charges. However, if it is included in the rate, then shops that pay their mechanics a percentage of the rate (as most dealers do) would have to share with the mechanic. The washer/gasket they put on your car is a part and will be billed as a part (might even have it's own part/stock number). As for the anti-seize compound, you shouldn't need it unless you have aluminum wheels mounted on steel rotors. If you do, then you better use it. That combination can seize together in just a matter of months. But steel-on-steel won't seize together to the point where a kick on the tire won't free it up. Jack --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000781-2, 10/15/2007 Tested on: 10/16/2007 8:52:01 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
From: Ray O on 16 Oct 2007 22:23 "Retired VIP" <Jackj14321(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1dmah31ckfvmuavvomnkm652c58a61ja24(a)4ax.com... <snipped> > As for the anti-seize compound, you shouldn't need it unless you have > aluminum wheels mounted on steel rotors. If you do, then you better > use it. That combination can seize together in just a matter of > months. But steel-on-steel won't seize together to the point where a > kick on the tire won't free it up. > > Jack > Steel-on-steel probably won't seize together, but the rust buildup can prevent the wheel from being installed correctly, causing a vibration like an out-of-balance condition, so it is worth applying a thin coat of Anti-Seize. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Ray O on 16 Oct 2007 22:26
"Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1192542996.699226.105140(a)i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com... <snipped> >It also was > not for the drain plug washer, a.k.a. "gasket," which > was itemized on the bill separately as "gasket" (don't > know why they don't just call it a washer; I suppose > the nearly 2 dollars they charged for the washer > makes high-falutin' "gasket" sound better ;-) > The part is called a gasket because it is a gasket and not a washer. Gaskets and washers serve different purposes, even though they may have a similar shape. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |