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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 2 Mar 2010 13:05
"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Doesn't this seem like a waste of time and resources?

Only to someone who was taught to hate science.


From: C. E. White on 2 Mar 2010 13:38

"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:hmj9no$3te$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> Doesn't this seem like a waste of time and resources?
>
> Only to someone who was taught to hate science.

I don't hate science. This car is a sample of one. Maybe they'll find
something, but I doubt it. And even if they find something, who'll
believe them? How significant will it be? I suppose if they open the
hood and find the throttle jammed open and the shift linkage and
brakes disconnected we will know that Mr. Smith had it in for Ms.
Smith.....



Here my best guess as to what will happen.



NHTSA will poke around the car looking for some obvious mechanical
problem that can explain the wild story Ms. Smith told to Congress.
They probably won't find anything. The groups out to get Toyota (Trial
Lawyers, Rust Belt Congressmen, xenophobes, wackos ,people wearing tin
hats) will seize on this as proof that this is either a cover-up or
that the problem is really in the electronics. I don't think the
people at NHTSA will deliberately try to cover up anything except
their rear collective rear ends. But, I am confident that NHTSA
doesn't have the expertise to fully evaluate the electronics and
programming. They have good people who are experts at accident
investigation, but I doubt they are experts at the fine details of the
control programming. Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt it. Maybe they will
hire outside consultants to assist with the work. For sure, trial
lawyer will find "experts" that will help point out any potential
flaw, no matter how remote. But the truth is, the engineers at Toyota
are the ones best equipped to evaluate the electronics. In a perfect
world, the car could best be evaluated by Toyota. I can't see that
happening. So NHTSA will have to put on a good show at finding
something. Meanwhile they will monitor the results of the Toyota pedal
and floor mat recalls. If problems with the pedal assemblies, pedal
shape, and/or floor mats are truly the cause of most of the vehicle
speed control problems, then the number of UA complaints will drop.
This will happen despite the publicity. In six months to a year we
will have a pretty good idea if there is still another reason for the
UA complaints. If the complaints fall off, then NHTSA can quietly
announce that they are closing the investigation without making a big
deal about this car.


Ed



From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 2 Mar 2010 17:34
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:28:18 +0000, Tegger wrote:

> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in
> news:hmj74i$ib4$1(a)news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
>> DOT 35-10
>> Friday, February 26, 2010
>> Contact: Olivia Alair
>> Tel.: (202) 366-4570
>>
>> NHTSA to Test Lexus Belonging to Rhonda and Eddie Smith
>>
>> Smiths' car will be studied at NHTSA Vehicle Research and Test Center in
>> East Liberty, OH
>>
>> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced Friday that
>> it has purchased the Toyota-made Lexus ES350 formerly owned by Rhonda
>> and Eddie Smith. The Smiths testified before the House Energy and
>> Commerce Committee this week about an unintended acceleration event that
>> Rhonda Smith reported she experienced while driving the car in 2006.
>>
>> The car was sold with 3,000 miles on it several years ago, and NHTSA has
>> now acquired it with approximately 30,000 miles on the odometer. The
>> Smiths' former car is being taken to NHTSA's Vehicle Research & Test
>> Center (VRTC) in East Liberty, OH, where it will be thoroughly studied.
>
>
>
> Funny how it made it 27,000 miles under its new owners without a single
> problem.

They know how to drive...



>
>
>
>> "Safety is our top priority," said Secretary LaHood.
>
>
>
> I've helpfully translated this into English for the benefit of this group:
>
> "Political maneuvering is our top priority," said Secretary LaHood.
>
>
>
>> "NHTSA will
>> thoroughly examine the Smiths' car as we work to get to the bottom of
>> possible causes for sudden acceleration."
>
>
>
> Another translation into English:
>
> "NHTSA will thoroughly examine the Smiths' car as we work to find a way of
> sticking a knife in Toyota's back so as to make the UAW happy."

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 2 Mar 2010 17:36
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:11:58 -0500, C. E. White wrote:

>
> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> news:hmjbdt$o7t$1(a)news.albasani.net...
>> On 2010-03-02 07:28:18 -0800, Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> said:
>>
>>>> "NHTSA will thoroughly examine the Smiths' car as we work to get to
>>>> the bottom of
>>>> possible causes for sudden acceleration."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another translation into English:
>>>
>>> "NHTSA will thoroughly examine the Smiths' car as we work to find a way
>>> of sticking a knife in Toyota's back so as to make the UAW happy."
>>
>> And since they're wearing blinders, and are inept at mult-tasking, this
>> one will likely escape their attention:
>>
>> http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/30657/
>
> What are you suggesting they over looked?
>
> NHTSA opened an investigation into that steering problem after they
> received about 1000 complaints. They had over 3000 related to the Toyota
> vehcile speed control concerns.
>
> It may be that the alledged GM steering problem is more serious than the
> alleged Toyota vehicle speed control problem. But, it seems to me NHTSA
> acted properly in the case of the GM steering problem this year, and
> imporperly when they ignored the Toyota vehicle speed control problem in
> 2007. To date no one has alleged the GM steering problem resulted in a
> death (only one injury claimed). I know I'd be unhappy if my power
> steering suddenly failed, so I don't want to minimize the potential
> dangers associated with the GM power steering problems. However, I do
> think it is unfair to claim that NHTSA is treating Toyota unfairly now,
> compared to GM. I think the truth is, they didn't press Toyota hard enough
> in 2007.
>
> Ed


Congress sure is. But then, Toyota doesn't have unions, do they?


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 2 Mar 2010 17:40
On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:05:29 -0500, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:hmj9no$3te$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> Doesn't this seem like a waste of time and resources?
>
> Only to someone who was taught to hate science.

They could have BORROWED the friggin' thing! They paid $42,000 for a
$23,000 car! Your tax dollars at work!

They REALLY wanted that car! I wonder why?


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