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From: Detritus on 13 Mar 2010 18:42
You know, I have owned 2 Priuses now, a 2005 and a 2010. Both fully
loaded. I will buy another. But I have NOT had the problems these people
are describing.

Personally, I think there are several things at work here.

First, nobody reads the manual. (That is the first thing I did when I
got it home after purchase.) Therefore, these people dont know how to
drive the car. Yes, you can point and push, but you dont know what will
happen if you shift to neutral.

Second, it seems swfully funny to me that of all these reports, NO ONE
yet has mentioned using the B on the gearshift. For georges sake, its an
engine brake. I use it when i am on steep inclines and it works. While
driving at 70, it will slow me to 45 in short order. NO ONE has
mentioned this!

Third, in keeping with the understanding that the media is the
propaganda arm of the democratic party, their current mission is to ruin
Toyota. This is because Toyota outsells GM (Govt. Motors) and now that
the democrats own GM, they need to boost sales. THERE is the true
conspiracy.

I turned down the offer from my dealership to have the software update
done. The car doesnt need it. It works the way it is supposed to. I will
purchase another Prius in a few more years. I cant wait for the plug-in
so I dont need gas to go 3 miles to work and back!

From: Chas Gill on 14 Mar 2010 06:32

"Detritus" <miller(a)greater.net> wrote in message
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>
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> Second, it seems swfully funny to me that of all these reports, NO ONE
> yet has mentioned using the B on the gearshift. For georges sake, its an
> engine brake. I use it when i am on steep inclines and it works. While
> driving at 70, it will slow me to 45 in short order. NO ONE has
> mentioned this!

As I understand it (and have experienced on a 2005 and 2010) B only acts as
a engine brake when the accelerator is NOT in use. As soon as it is, B is
disengaged and the engine acts normally. B will re-engage when the foot is
lifted from the accelerator and this will continue until D, N, or P are
selected. Thus, IF (and it's a very big IF) any such unintended
acceleration incident occurs it must be assumed that it would have the same
effect as flooring the accelerator pedal and therefore render B inoperative.
So I can't see how B would be any help at all in slowing the car down under
unintended acceleration conditions.
>
> Also snipped
>
> I turned down the offer from my dealership to have the software update
> done. The car doesnt need it. It works the way it is supposed to. I will
> purchase another Prius in a few more years. I cant wait for the plug-in
> so I dont need gas to go 3 miles to work and back!
>
Does anyone know exactly what this software upgrade does? I confess I've
had no problems with my 2010 in this area but I also suspect that there
might be a down side to the upgrade which might, in the long term, cause me
to regret having it done.

From: ransley on 14 Mar 2010 09:11
On Mar 14, 5:32 am, "Chas Gill" <Chas.G...(a)gollum.btinternet.com>
wrote:
> "Detritus" <mil...(a)greater.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns9D3ABE4105B67millergreaternet(a)94.75.214.90...
>
> Snipped for brevity>
>
> > Second, it seems swfully funny to me that of all these reports, NO ONE
> > yet has mentioned using the B on the gearshift. For georges sake, its an
> > engine brake. I use it when i am on steep inclines and it works. While
> > driving at 70, it will slow me to 45 in short order. NO ONE has
> > mentioned this!
>
> As I understand it (and have experienced on a 2005 and 2010) B only acts as
> a engine brake when the accelerator is NOT in use.  As soon as it is, B is
> disengaged and the engine acts normally.  B will re-engage when the foot is
> lifted from the accelerator and this will continue until D, N, or P are
> selected.  Thus, IF (and it's a very big IF) any such unintended
> acceleration incident occurs it must be assumed that it would have the same
> effect as flooring the accelerator pedal and therefore render B inoperative.
> So I can't see how B would be any help at all in slowing the car down under
> unintended acceleration conditions.
>
> > Also snipped
>
> > I turned down the offer from my dealership to have the software update
> > done. The car doesnt need it. It works the way it is supposed to. I will
> > purchase another Prius in a few more years. I cant wait for the plug-in
> > so I dont need gas to go 3 miles to work and back!
>
> Does anyone know exactly what this software upgrade does?  I confess I've
> had no problems with my 2010 in this area but I also suspect that there
> might be a down side to the upgrade which might, in the long term, cause me
> to regret having it done.

I bet if its upgraded its fine, Toyota wont ever tell because of
liability what it does. The less lawyers know the less they have to
work with.
From: Mr Ed on 14 Mar 2010 11:14
"Detritus" <miller(a)greater.net> wrote in message
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>
> Third, in keeping with the understanding that the media is the
> propaganda arm of the democratic party, their current mission is to ruin
> Toyota. This is because Toyota outsells GM (Govt. Motors) and now that
> the democrats own GM, they need to boost sales. THERE is the true
> conspiracy.

I'm surprised to learn that Media Commentators Rush and Kenny are arms of
the Democratic party.
>
>--
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From: Davoud on 14 Mar 2010 19:11
Chas Gill:
> > Does anyone know exactly what this software upgrade does? �I confess I've
> > had no problems with my 2010 in this area but I also suspect that there
> > might be a down side to the upgrade which might, in the long term, cause me
> > to regret having it done.

ransley:
> I bet if its upgraded its fine, Toyota wont ever tell because of
> liability what it does. The less lawyers know the less they have to
> work with.

Also doubt the moon landings, do you? Toyota told the Congress, the
NTSB, and the public what the software update does -- it turns off the
fuel supply if the brake is applied at the same time the accelerator
pedal is depressed.

Davoud

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