From: edspyhill01 on
On Jul 9, 12:39 am, tankfixer <paul.carr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <i3cb36hjma8ejpuhfgvgtaps27d0e1v...(a)4ax.com>,
> Clhuprichguessw...(a)aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
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> > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:01:32 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >In article <c6m3361ut4dc4bv98rg27hbme16junt...(a)4ax.com>,
> > >Clhuprichguessw...(a)aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>
> > >>http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2010/07/more_than_1000_h....
> > >>   "More than 1,000 HIV/AIDS patients across Ohio to lose benefits"
> > >> [
> > >> About 1,000 HIV/AIDS patients throughout Ohio will no longer be eligible for
> > >> free medication from the state -- and hundreds of others will see their benefits
> > >> cut -- because rising costs are depleting the program's funds.
> > >> ....
> > >> ]
>
> > >You mean ObamaCare didn't fix this ?
>
> >   It's not even started much yet. Phases in over
> > several years.
> >   Sad that you have no clues what it's about.
> >   Faux & Rush failed to tell you, eh?
>
> Why do you lie so much ?
>
> Health-Care Changes to Start Taking Effect This Yearhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aa32kl.M09T4
>
> "Indoor tanning salons will charge customers a 10 percent tax beginning
> in July in one of the changes Americans will see as a result of the U.S.
> health-care overhaul signed into law by President Barack Obama.
>
> Insurers will be required by September to begin providing health
> coverage to kids with pre-existing illnesses and allow parents to keep
> children younger than 26 on their plans as the clock has begun ticking
> on many of the law?s provisions. Medicare recipients will receive a $250
> rebate for prescription drugs when they reach a coverage gap called the
> donut hole if the Senate passes and the president signs companion
> legislation approved March 21 by the U.S. House.
>
> The $940 billion overhaul subsidizes coverage for uninsured Americans,
> financed by Medicare cuts to hospitals and fees or taxes on insurers,
> drugmakers, medical-device companies and Americans earning more than
> $200,000 a year. Many of the changes in the bill of more than 2,400
> pages, such as requiring most people to have health insurance and
> employers to provide coverage, will take at least two years to go into
> effect.
>
> ?Most of the major public policy changes embodied in the health care
> reform legislation will become effective only after the next
> presidential election in 2012,? said Maury Harris, an economist with UBS
> AG, said in a research report.
>
> High-Risk Pools
>
> Within 90 days, the law will provide immediate access to high-risk
> insurance plans for people who can?t get insurance because of a pre-
> existing medical problem, Harris said. These high-risk pools will be
> funded by $5 billion in federal grants.
>
> Companies led by Minnetonka, Minnesota-based UnitedHealth Group Inc.,
> the largest health insurer, will be banned within six months from
> dropping a person?s coverage because of severe illness and from limiting
> lifetime or annual benefits.
>
> Participants in Medicare, the U.S. government?s health coverage for
> those 65 and older, are expected get a $250 rebate toward prescription
> drugs once their benefits run out -- a coverage gap know as the
> ?doughnut hole.? The benefit is part of the package of amendments to the
> legislation now pending in the Senate. Drugmakers led by New York-based
> Pfizer Inc. will have to offer discounted drugs to Medicare recipients
> next year, according to an analysis of the legislation by the Kaiser
> Family Foundation, a nonprofit group based in Menlo Park, California
>
> In 2013, individuals whose annual income is more than $200,000 and
> couples making more than $250,000 will see an increase in Medicare
> payroll taxes. Those taxes will also be expanded to cover dividend,
> interest and other unearned income.
>
> Employer Coverage
>
> In 2014, employers with more than 50 employees will be required to
> provide health coverage and most people will be required to have health
> insurance, Harris said in his report.
>
> A tax on high-cost ?Cadillac? policies won?t go into effect until 2018.
> The insurance industry also faces about $60 billion in additional fees
> under the health bill through 2018, and more beyond, though it was able
> to postpone the levy until 2014.
>
> By 2019, the bill is expected to have expanded health insurance coverage
> to 32 million people, according to UBS?s Harris.
>
> The U.S. Health and Human Services Department will have two years to set
> penalties on hospitals with high readmission rates and longer to test
> new payment systems for Franklin, Tennessee- based Community Health
> Systems Inc., the largest U.S. chain, and its rivals.
>
> Financial Disclosure
>
> Insurers also will have to reveal how much of members? premiums they
> spend on medical care, as opposed to executive salaries or other
> administrative costs. Next year, they?ll owe a rebate to customers if
> the insurers spend less than 80 percent on benefits for people in
> individual or small-group plans.
>
> Starting in 2014, states have their say. The legislation leaves it to
> them to set up and run the online marketplaces, known as exchanges,
> where customers will comparison-shop for coverage. Among other powers,
> the exchanges will be able to banish plans for premium increases deemed
> to be unjustified.
>
> The legislation also creates an Independent Payment Advisory Board to
> suggest cuts in spending by Medicare, the government health program for
> the elderly and disabled, that could threaten payments for drug and
> device-makers. Starting in 2014, the panel?s recommendations would take
> effect unless federal lawmakers substitute their own reductions."
>
> And they kick it off with increased taxes....- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

If we would cut defense spending by at least 50%, we would have almost
$500b extra available.
From: Cliff on
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 21:39:33 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <i3cb36hjma8ejpuhfgvgtaps27d0e1v4jd(a)4ax.com>,
>Clhuprichguesswhat(a)aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 18:01:32 -0700, tankfixer <paul.carrier(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <c6m3361ut4dc4bv98rg27hbme16juntar6(a)4ax.com>,
>> >Clhuprichguesswhat(a)aoltmovetheperiodc.om says...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2010/07/more_than_1000_hivaids_patient.html
>> >> "More than 1,000 HIV/AIDS patients across Ohio to lose benefits"
>> >> [
>> >> About 1,000 HIV/AIDS patients throughout Ohio will no longer be eligible for
>> >> free medication from the state -- and hundreds of others will see their benefits
>> >> cut -- because rising costs are depleting the program's funds.
>> >> ....
>> >> ]
>> >
>> >You mean ObamaCare didn't fix this ?
>>
>> It's not even started much yet. Phases in over
>> several years.
>> Sad that you have no clues what it's about.
>> Faux & Rush failed to tell you, eh?
>
>Why do you lie so much ?
>
>Health-Care Changes to Start Taking Effect This Year
>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aa32kl.M09T4

"to Start"
"It's not even started much yet."

>"Indoor tanning salons will charge customers a 10 percent tax beginning
>in July in one of the changes Americans will see as a result of the U.S.
>health-care overhaul signed into law by President Barack Obama.
>
>Insurers will be required by September to begin providing health
>coverage to kids with pre-existing illnesses and allow parents to keep
>children younger than 26 on their plans as the clock has begun ticking
>on many of the law?s provisions. Medicare recipients will receive a $250
>rebate for prescription drugs when they reach a coverage gap called the
>donut hole if the Senate passes and the president signs companion
>legislation approved March 21 by the U.S. House.
>
>The $940 billion overhaul subsidizes coverage for uninsured Americans,
>financed by Medicare cuts to hospitals and fees or taxes on insurers,
>drugmakers, medical-device companies and Americans earning more than
>$200,000 a year. Many of the changes in the bill of more than 2,400
>pages, such as requiring most people to have health insurance and
>employers to provide coverage, will take at least two years to go into
>effect.
>
>?Most of the major public policy changes embodied in the health care
>reform legislation will become effective only after the next
>presidential election in 2012,? said Maury Harris, an economist with UBS
>AG, said in a research report.
>
>High-Risk Pools
>
>Within 90 days, the law will provide immediate access to high-risk
>insurance plans for people who can?t get insurance because of a pre-
>existing medical problem, Harris said. These high-risk pools will be
>funded by $5 billion in federal grants.
>
>Companies led by Minnetonka, Minnesota-based UnitedHealth Group Inc.,
>the largest health insurer, will be banned within six months from
>dropping a person?s coverage because of severe illness and from limiting
>lifetime or annual benefits.
>
>Participants in Medicare, the U.S. government?s health coverage for
>those 65 and older, are expected get a $250 rebate toward prescription
>drugs once their benefits run out -- a coverage gap know as the
>?doughnut hole.? The benefit is part of the package of amendments to the
>legislation now pending in the Senate. Drugmakers led by New York-based
>Pfizer Inc. will have to offer discounted drugs to Medicare recipients
>next year, according to an analysis of the legislation by the Kaiser
>Family Foundation, a nonprofit group based in Menlo Park, California
>
>In 2013, individuals whose annual income is more than $200,000 and
>couples making more than $250,000 will see an increase in Medicare
>payroll taxes. Those taxes will also be expanded to cover dividend,
>interest and other unearned income.
>
>Employer Coverage
>
>In 2014, employers with more than 50 employees will be required to
>provide health coverage and most people will be required to have health
>insurance, Harris said in his report.
>
>A tax on high-cost ?Cadillac? policies won?t go into effect until 2018.
>The insurance industry also faces about $60 billion in additional fees
>under the health bill through 2018, and more beyond, though it was able
>to postpone the levy until 2014.
>
>By 2019, the bill is expected to have expanded health insurance coverage
>to 32 million people, according to UBS?s Harris.
>
>The U.S. Health and Human Services Department will have two years to set
>penalties on hospitals with high readmission rates and longer to test
>new payment systems for Franklin, Tennessee- based Community Health
>Systems Inc., the largest U.S. chain, and its rivals.
>
>Financial Disclosure
>
>Insurers also will have to reveal how much of members? premiums they
>spend on medical care, as opposed to executive salaries or other
>administrative costs. Next year, they?ll owe a rebate to customers if
>the insurers spend less than 80 percent on benefits for people in
>individual or small-group plans.
>
>Starting in 2014, states have their say. The legislation leaves it to
>them to set up and run the online marketplaces, known as exchanges,
>where customers will comparison-shop for coverage. Among other powers,
>the exchanges will be able to banish plans for premium increases deemed
>to be unjustified.
>
>The legislation also creates an Independent Payment Advisory Board to
>suggest cuts in spending by Medicare, the government health program for
>the elderly and disabled, that could threaten payments for drug and
>device-makers. Starting in 2014, the panel?s recommendations would take
>effect unless federal lawmakers substitute their own reductions."
>
>
>And they kick it off with increased taxes....

"Phases in over several years."

You were saying?
--
Cliff