Latest Mis-Leading Tundra Commercial
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From: C. E. White on 27 Oct 2009 11:58 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4ae708da$0$1648$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >> news:hc6u39$uho$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> That sure was a lot of data in your last message. But there's still >> some important data missing. You still can't show data which >> indicates how many people buy trucks "just to have", vs those who >> buy them because of their work. That data would also need to be >> broken down by brand. You've made claims which require this data in >> order to be believable, but you've never shown the data. That's >> probably because such data doesn't exist. > > You have to look at the big picture. > > Consider that people shopping for a vehicle at a Ford dealer will > often purchase the F150 rather than one of Ford's rather poor > sedans, coupes, or SUVs. That's how you end up with the F150 often > being the "best selling vehicle in the U.S." No one thinks that all > those buyers are contractors; those F150s are the daily commute > vehicle for most of the buyers. > > People shopping for a vehicle at a Toyota dealer have a selection of > excellent cars, trucks, and SUVs. Few Toyota buyers are going to > choose a large pickup truck, with its rather poor MPG, as a > passenger vehicle for daily use. That's why Tundra buyers tend to be > people that are using their trucks for real work, not weekend > warriors hauling bags of potting soil home from Lowe's or Home > Depot. > > The market for personal vehicles is much larger than the market for > real work trucks, that's why the F150 sells well. This is sort of weird logic. It seems to me you are saying - People decide they want a Ford, they go to the Ford dealer, and the only decent vehcile is an F150, so they buy it. They don't consider cars from other manufacturers, only Ford, so they feel stuck with F150s. Do you think this is reasonable? Don't you think it is more likely, that for whatever reason a large number of people decide they want a truck, and then once they decide they want a truck, a large percentage decide to buy a Ford F150? This seems much more likely to me. In the last 5 years I have bought five new vehicles (three for me and two for children). Three were cars (Mustang, Fusion, Mazda3) and two were trucks (Frontier, F150). I didn't start out looking to buy a car (say the Fusion) and end up in an F150. I wanted/needed a car and bought a car that I thought best meet the need (or want). Likewise when I decided to get a new farm truck, I looked around and bought a truck. I didn't go to the Toyota dealer and think, hey, they have great cars, I'll buy one. No, I looked at their trucks, and Ford's, and Nissan's, and bought a Nissan (and then after 3 years decided I hated it and bought a Ford). I can buy the arguement that until recently Ford's car offereings were not as attractive relative to their trucks as offering from other manufacturers, and therefore Ford sales were skewed to trucks (i.e., a larger percetnage of Ford's total sales were trucks than cars). I can't buy the arguement that the F150 is the best selling vehicle becasue it is Ford's only decent offering. Ed
From: Ray O on 27 Oct 2009 16:49 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4ae73987$0$32582$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > You are confused, the frame on domestic trucks do not rust away. Toyota > did what it did because the number of trucks, with seriously rusting > frames made of Japanese steel, were approaching a NHTSA required safety > recall. Does Dana use Japanese steel in its frames? -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Rhon Wite on 28 Oct 2009 11:48 "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message news:hc7miu$k7s$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message > news:4ae73987$0$32582$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >> You are confused, the frame on domestic trucks do not rust away. >> Toyota did what it did because the number of trucks, with seriously >> rusting frames made of Japanese steel, were approaching a NHTSA required >> safety recall. > > Does Dana use Japanese steel in its frames? > -- > > Ray O > (correct punctuation to reply) > No, Dana Holding Corporation (Toledo OH) sells frames manufactured in both the US and Mexico. I highly doubt they're inporting Japanese steel for this purpose.
From: Ray O on 28 Oct 2009 16:09 "Rhon Wite" <Afterthought(a)simms.com> wrote in message news:4ae867a2$0$12004$ec3e2dad(a)unlimited.usenetmonster.com... > > "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message > news:hc7miu$k7s$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message >> news:4ae73987$0$32582$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >>> You are confused, the frame on domestic trucks do not rust away. Toyota >>> did what it did because the number of trucks, with seriously rusting >>> frames made of Japanese steel, were approaching a NHTSA required safety >>> recall. >> >> Does Dana use Japanese steel in its frames? >> -- >> >> Ray O >> (correct punctuation to reply) >> > > No, Dana Holding Corporation (Toledo OH) sells frames manufactured in both > the US and Mexico. I highly doubt they're inporting Japanese steel for > this purpose. That's kind of what I thought... -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: I'm Right on 28 Oct 2009 17:29
That is odd when I drive I see 30+ year old Chevy, GMC, Ford and a Dodge once in a while. Chevy PU's from 73-87 are everywhere, the 88-98 are too as well as the newr chevys I see 80-86 Fords, 87-97 fords and up. Dodges are mostly 94 and up, with a few older 88-ish with a cummins. I do see a few 89-94 Toy PU. The truck they should have kept building. I see a few Pre-Ranger Mazda PU But very few nissans. -- I'm Right, U R Wrong! "M. Balmer" <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote in message news:TBuDm.1340$OY2.1255(a)newsfe22.iad... > the oddity is finding very many eight to ten year old F150's running the > roads > > > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message > news:4addcb85$0$12271$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >> Really? If anyone actually wanted a Tundra they could have had their >> pick at the Manheim Auto Auctions for as low as $25,000 just last month. >> >> I don't know were you live but I'm sure if you look around and you will >> see plenty of twenty year old F150's still running on the roadways. One >> old Tundra is an oddity ;) >> >> >> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message >> news:4addc5ba$0$1632$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>> C. E. White wrote: >>>> Has anyone notice the snap shot in the new Tundra Commercial? In the >>>> commercial a contractor talks about when he started out 7 years ago he >>>> needed a dependable truck and bought a Tundra (this in itself is >>>> misleading - I doubt if 1 in a 100 contractor considered a Tunda in >>>> 2002). >>> >>> The only contractor I've used had a Tundra of that era. He still has it >>> with nearly 300K miles on it. His feeling is that it's better to spend a >>> little more for a truck that will not need replacing every few years, >>> but it's true that the Tundra cost more than your standard Ford, Chevy, >>> or Dodge truck. >>> >> >> > > |