From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises on
On May 19, 10:35 am, Hachiroku <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:34:37 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
> > Enterprises" wrote:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak4I5D6oXuA
>
> >> The match is undecided, but do you think the strategy of nonviolence
> >> practiced by Jesus, which led to the crucifiction, is still valid or we
> >> should rather use firmer action such as bike rides to claim our space
> >> on the road?
>
> >> I wonder who wins in that match...
>
> > Cars.
>
> > It was tried in Seattle and now, thanks in part to the backlash,
> > cyclists are losing bike paths.
>
> That's pretty dumb. You'd think as part of the backlash there would be
> MORE bike paths to keep cyclists and motorists separate.
>
> We have been adding paths in Mass. Some actually function to bring people
> from point a to point b. Most are 'scenic' rides that don't really go
> anywhere...

Oh thanks, it proves my point. You know I thought you were a Toyota
agent, but now I see you are a good guy... ;)

On May 25, 10:10 am, Opus <opusthep...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 24, 12:31 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> > One thing, we must first TAME TRAFFIC before we feel welcome on the
> > road.
>
> If you can't build it all at once you shouldn't build it at all? Do
> you know what that sounds like?You know that the Interstate system
> started from cities and pushed together out in the countryside, much
> like the first transcontinental railroad joined east and west in
> Promintory UT which is still not even a wide spot in the road. The big
> difference was there were alternative highways already in existence,
> just like there are streets that exist even without bike lanes that
> can still be ridden by people on bicycles. As streets are rebuilt and
> repaved bike lanes will get installed because that's when the process
> is least expensive. This will appear to be "Willy Nilly", but is
> actually the best way to do it. On your taming traffic rant, laws like
> the 3 foot passing law will help, an educated police force will help,
> and people losing their cars or trucks for hitting a cyclist will
> definitely help.

Opus, I know you are not playing SneakySnake, playing mind games or
using delaying tactics with me. I'm assuming you are genuinely but
naively believing in the progress of bike facilities in this country,
or the rest of the Western World for that matter...

If the missing links of bike lanes/ bike paths were part of some
grandiose superhighway for bikes, there would be a Master Plan.
Moreover they would go places where people need it the most, and I
assure you that they don't take you anywhere in Miami. Key Biscayne
has bike lanes, but that where the guys in lycra suits go to train in
their fancy bikes.

You were almost killed by a savage driver ON PURPOSE and you still
believe in the general good will of the system. I would start by
calling it 'THE JUNGLE' and proceed to taming it.

It's easy and quick: BIKE TAKE THE LANE, CAR CLEARS THE LANE 30'
BEFORE AND AFTER... No mixing of PREDATOR and PREY, comprende? ;)

From: His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises on
On May 23, 12:05 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...(a)hovnanian.com> wrote:
> Hachiroku wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 May 2010 20:34:37 -0700, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
>
> >> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
> >> Enterprises" wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak4I5D6oXuA
>
> >>> The match is undecided, but do you think the strategy of nonviolence
> >>> practiced by Jesus, which led to the crucifiction, is still valid or we
> >>> should rather use firmer action such as bike rides to claim our space
> >>> on the road?
>
> >>> I wonder who wins in that match...
>
> >> Cars.
>
> >> It was tried in Seattle and now, thanks in part to the backlash,
> >> cyclists are losing bike paths.
>
> > That's pretty dumb. You'd think as part of the backlash there would be
> > MORE bike paths to keep cyclists and motorists separate.
>
> > We have been adding paths in Mass. Some actually function to bring people
> > from point a to point b. Most are 'scenic' rides that don't really go
> > anywhere...
>
> Its happening in a few areas (Alki is one) where the residents want the real
> estate back for parking, planting strips, left turn lanes. Since they've
> got the cyclists conditioned to ride on the roads by painting bicycle
> symbols there, the next step is to reclaim the bike path running right
> alongside them.
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian p...(a)hovnanian.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Have gnu, will travel.

from local forum...

Quote Originally Posted by GandJ

"angry/upset bicyclists, and all that other rambling stuff."

***

CORRECTION: "angry/upset drivers" vs. "cool fun seeking cyclists."

The beast is loose and the man in the cage...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/images/2008/06/02/man_in_cage_276x355.jpg