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From: Built_Well on 15 Oct 2007 22:44 Ray O wrote: > "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1192450127.582026.74020(a)i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> Dale wrote: >>>> Dale wrote: >>> > Where do you place the jack stands when you jack up a Avalon or >>> Camry. >>> > >>> > If the jack is located where you're supposed to put it, where the >>> two marks are ahead of the rear wheels, where do you put the >>> jackstands? >>> >>> To whom ever it was who said I shouldn't be under >>> a car until I find out where to put the jackstand, he's right. Now, >>> funny guy just where do you put it? Where do you put it so the weight >>> of the car doesn't bend something, when you lower the car onto it. >> ======== >> >> I would place the jack stands directly inwards of >> the notches, since you can't place the stands between >> the notches if the floor jack is occupying that spot. >> > > I do not intend this as an insult, but don't you think it might be a good > idea to have at least done one oil change before giving out advice on how to > jack up a car or place jack stands? If the advice is incorrect, it is more > than a wrecked engine - someone could be seriously injured or die. ======== That's what we have you here for, Ray: to catch our mistakes :-) However, I don't think what I said was a mistake. Placing the jack stands next to the notches (not between the notches since the jack will be occupying that spot) is an easier thing for a novice like myself and others to do than trying to find the center of the rear and front axles buried deep behind the bumpers. The double notches along the side rails are easily visible and near the car's edge. Ray, my advice is easier than yours :-P
From: Ray O on 15 Oct 2007 22:49 "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4714253c$0$90445$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com... >>> I would place the jack stands directly inwards of >>> the notches, since you can't place the stands between >>> the notches if the floor jack is occupying that spot. >>> >> >> I do not intend this as an insult, but don't you think it might be a good >> idea to have at least done one oil change before giving out advice on how >> to jack up a car or place jack stands? If the advice is incorrect, it is >> more than a wrecked engine - someone could be seriously injured or die. > ======== > > That's what we have you here for, Ray: to catch our mistakes :-) > However, I don't think what I said was a mistake. Placing the jack > stands next to the notches (not between the notches since the jack > will be occupying that spot) is an easier thing for a novice > like myself and others to do than trying to find the center of the rear > and front axles buried deep behind the bumpers. > > The double notches along the side rails are easily visible and near the > car's edge. > > Ray, my advice is easier than yours :-P True, but my advice won't damage the car or scare the daylights out of the P when the jack stands deform the underbody ;-D -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Built_Well on 15 Oct 2007 23:08 Ray O wrote: > I don't like lifting from the notches with a floor jack because the jack > lifts from the center of the pinch weld instead of distributing the weight > on each side of the weld. Lifting from the center of the pinch weld tends > to bend the seam. > > Lift from the engine or suspension cradles. ======== So, it sounds like you're saying floor jacks don't lift straight up but in an arc, and that can bend the notch seam? Does that mean the flat tire jack in the car's trunk is safe to use since it lifts directly upwards, instead of in an arc? If so, I'll just use the trunk jack for tire rotations since that jack is recommended in the manual for flat tire repairs. I don't know enough yet about the car's underbody to find the spots you're talking about. Do you think there would be a problem using the trunk jack along with jack stands to do a tire rotation?
From: Ray O on 15 Oct 2007 23:25 "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:47142aa7$0$68487$892e0abb(a)auth.newsreader.octanews.com... > Ray O wrote: > >> I don't like lifting from the notches with a floor jack because the jack >> lifts from the center of the pinch weld instead of distributing the >> weight on each side of the weld. Lifting from the center of the pinch >> weld tends to bend the seam. >> >> Lift from the engine or suspension cradles. > ======== > > So, it sounds like you're saying floor jacks don't > lift straight up but in an arc, and that can > bend the notch seam? Yes, that is what I'm saying. > > Does that mean the flat tire jack in the car's trunk > is safe to use since it lifts directly upwards, instead of > in an arc? If so, I'll just use the trunk jack for > tire rotations since that jack is recommended in the > manual for flat tire repairs. > > I don't know enough yet about the car's underbody to > find the spots you're talking about. Do you think > there would be a problem using the trunk jack along with > jack stands to do a tire rotation? There is no problem using the scissors jack that came with the car, along with jack stands, to do a tire rotation. Keep in mind that the scissors jack is not as stable as most floor jacks and the jack can tip over, and using the scissors jack is a lot more work and takes double the time than when using a hydraulic floor jack. If you can afford a floor jack and intend to change your own oil and do your own tire rotations, I think the investment will be worthwhile. By the way, besides lift range, there are other things that you may want to pay attention to when selecting a floor jack. The saddle where the jack contacts the car should be a sturdy cast material instead of stamped and formed, and a saddle that rotates is much more convenient than one that does not rotate. Some jacks have rollers or nothing, while others have casters that make maneuvering under the car easier. Some casters and rollers move more easily than others. A good jack will require fewer pumps of the handle to raise the saddle than a cheap jack. It is hard to release the hydraulic valve on some jacks, making you twist hard on the valve, and then the valve suddenly opens, dropping the car. On cheap jacks, you will have to remove the handle and use the handle to release the valve instead of a separate handle to open the valve or having the release mechanism built into the handle. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Built_Well on 15 Oct 2007 23:46
Thanks a million for providing us with the excellent advice, Ray. My Camry's notch seams thank you, too :-) |