From: M. Balmer on 25 Sep 2009 08:50 >> > About a week before installing them I was watching some hot rod tv >> > show where they were testing OEM vs, Iridium spark plugs in a >> > performance engine with various lab test equipment. >> > The results showed not only a 4 horsepower gain (in a 350hp engine >> > though), but also a very slight (.07%) increase in fuel economy. > > Oh good bloody grief! > >> > They then showed the difference in spark the two plugs make...the >> > Iridium plug was much brighter and had a much thicker spark than the >> > OEM plugs. > > Yeah, also bullshit. > >> So they glow brighter and in a 150 hp 4 cyl you'd see a 2 hp gain? > > The claim is a increase of four horsepower, not two. 4 HP in a 350. In a 4 cyl it would be considerably less as I originally stated.
From: studio on 25 Sep 2009 17:48 On Sep 25, 8:50 am, "M. Balmer" <boogerpic...(a)wazoo.net> wrote: > 4 HP in a 350. In a 4 cyl it would be considerably less as I originally > stated. It was 3hp gain in a 2 cylinder 92hp Harley engine. Desertphile wrote: > As for the people who claim they can "feel the difference" with > Iridium spark plugs in their cars..... well, they're just stupid. I don't consider myself stupid, but I guess all those winning motorcycle racers and mechanics that use and swear by them are also stupid in your book. As for me, when, if, and until I see a drawback, I'm sold on them for my application, end of story.
From: Desertphile on 25 Sep 2009 22:05 On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT), studio <tlack(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 25, 8:50�am, "M. Balmer" <boogerpic...(a)wazoo.net> wrote: > > 4 HP in a 350. In a 4 cyl it would be considerably less as I originally > > stated. > > It was 3hp gain in a 2 cylinder 92hp Harley engine. > > Desertphile wrote: > > As for the people who claim they can "feel the difference" with > > Iridium spark plugs in their cars..... well, they're just stupid. > > I don't consider myself stupid, but I guess all those winning > motorcycle racers and mechanics that use and swear by them are also > stupid in your book. Yes, stupid or ignorant or paid to say what they do. Think of all the many more losers with the same spark plugs. Sheeeish. > As for me, when, if, and until I see a drawback, I'm sold on them for > my application, end of story. -- http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
From: clare on 25 Sep 2009 23:40 On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:05:21 -0600, Desertphile <desertphile(a)invalid-address.net> wrote: >On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:48:44 -0700 (PDT), studio ><tlack(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sep 25, 8:50 am, "M. Balmer" <boogerpic...(a)wazoo.net> wrote: >> > 4 HP in a 350. In a 4 cyl it would be considerably less as I originally >> > stated. >> >> It was 3hp gain in a 2 cylinder 92hp Harley engine. >> >> Desertphile wrote: >> > As for the people who claim they can "feel the difference" with >> > Iridium spark plugs in their cars..... well, they're just stupid. >> >> I don't consider myself stupid, but I guess all those winning >> motorcycle racers and mechanics that use and swear by them are also >> stupid in your book. > >Yes, stupid or ignorant or paid to say what they do. Think of all >the many more losers with the same spark plugs. > >Sheeeish. > >> As for me, when, if, and until I see a drawback, I'm sold on them for >> my application, end of story. Actually, to be totally frank, just because the OEM uses a particular part does not NECESSARILY mean it is the best. There is a price/advantage ratio that works best for manufacturing. There ARE parts out there that are better, at least in some ways, than the OEM parts, for certain applications. They generally cost more than the OEM spec part, or would require payment of licencing fees in order to implement. HOWEVER - Generally speeking, the OEM spec part is the best bet for general use. When I'm working on a Ford I'll generally use Motorcraft plugs. On a Toyota NipponDenso or NGK (both OEM options) and on a GM, AC Delco. Whatever the factory supplies - that way the customer can't come back on you if your "flavour of the day" has a problem. On my own vehicles I sometimes (heck, over the years OFTEN) try different combinations - particularly when other specs have been modified. My '63 Valiant 170 (206RWHP) would chew up and spit out Champion rn14y plugs in 200 miles. The coldest Champion I could buy (n6?) lasted about 500 - so I put in the Nippondenso W24EP plugs. The coldest NipponDensos Toyota used back in the '70s. Those plugs would go 6 -10 thousand miles in the Valiant with no problems at all. The engine routinely saw 6000 to 6500 RPM (and over 120 MPH) Put them in a stock 170 slant six and they'd be fouled up in no time flat. In town, trying to idle sedately in traffic, they loaded up even on the warmed over engine. So even on that engine, for city driving they were not ideal - but the car spent more time on the highway, or locked in low gear around town - and I spent less time and money changing plugs. I ALMOST broke down and installed capacittive discharge ignition so I could install marine surface gap "stones" - no heat range - stone cold. If the iridiums do the job for you, excellent. They ARE a better plug than a standard or copper core Champion. A fine wire electrode plug will fire more consistently with lower voltage than a standard thick-electrode plug. They are more foul resistant too - we used paladium fine-wires in 2 stroke engines back in the sixties because they would start consistently in the cold (snowmobiles) even with the oil fouling issues 16:1 pre-mix brought to the table. They are still used in 2 stroke ultralight aircraft engines, particularly when the engine is installed inverted (plug down) because they will still fire when oil soaked. And no, they were not GENERALLY standard OEM equipment in either application. But they worked. Well enough to make what I remember was their EIGHTEEN DOLLAR price tag in 1969 (compared to something like a buck and a quarter for the stock plug, and seventy five cents for a champion automotive plug) worth while.
From: studio on 26 Sep 2009 00:43 On Sep 25, 11:40 pm, cl...(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: > Actually, to be totally frank, just because the OEM uses a particular > part does not NECESSARILY mean it is the best. Yes exactly. Sometimes OEM is perfectly adequate, and sometimes you want something better. I also changed tires on my Toyota because I thought they were cheap junk for my application. I also lifted my Toyota because I didn't like it's low stance. So naturally some people would say; "if you lift it, it won't handle right". Well it handles just like stock, and along with the tires gives me the extra ground clearance and traction I need for these north east winter snows to go where no 2 wheel truck or car drive could go....to my parking lot! > There is a > price/advantage ratio that works best for manufacturing. There ARE > parts out there that are better, at least in some ways, than the OEM > parts, for certain applications. They generally cost more than the OEM > spec part, or would require payment of licencing fees in order to > implement. Absolutely correct. Manufacturers have to watch their bottom line price of what they put in automobiles. So sometimes they put some cheap stuff on them. > HOWEVER - Generally speeking, the OEM spec part is the best bet for > general use. When I'm working on a Ford I'll generally use Motorcraft > plugs. On a Toyota NipponDenso or NGK (both OEM options) and on a GM, > AC Delco. I don't disagree.
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