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From: IYM "S U N on 9 Mar 2010 14:55 Obveeus wrote: > <nm5k(a)wt.net> wrote: > >> Dunno... Something about this story sounds really fishy to me.. >> I'm almost tending to believe this is some kind of scam to get $$$$.. > > The likelyhood at this point is about a 99% chance that this guy is a scam > artist looking for money. > >> I don't know.. I smell doo-doo with this story.. It will be real >> interesting >> to see what the Toyota people find when they go over it. Hopefully it >> will not be touched until they get a chance to do so. > > Hopefully Toyota won't get a chance to touch it without NHTSA or some such > entity standing right beside them to verify their findings...or at least > document their procedure for looking ove rthe car for potential problems. > > >> All of the cars have a neutral shift position. Thinking people use >> them. > > If it is a mechanical control, then it would necessarily have to disengage > the engine from the wheels. If it is 'fly by wire' type control, then the > same computer problem that could engage the gas could also ignore attempts > to shift into neutral, in theory. > >> In the case of my Corolla, I can just reach over and turn off the >> ignition.. >> I don't need no stinkin power steering either. You can steer one just >> fine with no power steering, and you can stop one just fine with no >> power brakes. 911? Good grief... It's pitiful, it really is... :( > > Sure...and if you don't have an automatic transmission you can still start > the car without a starter or tow it with the wheels on the ground. > Evolution of the automobile...until we end up with something like the taxis > in the movie Total Recall. > > Johnny Cabs!! :)
From: Canuck57 on 9 Mar 2010 20:09 On 09/03/2010 12:13 PM, Mike Hunter wrote: > The video is all over the news, not good for Toyota. There is nothing > like a visual aid that counters a point one is trying to make. Wanna bet > it will end up on "Cops" or "Worlds Worst?" Could be a setup or staged and here is why I say this. First off is driver negligence. You have brakes, and if they are at all maintained two feet on the breaks with parking brake applied will stop any vehicle I know even with the motor going. Brakes are stronger than motors. So did the driver not only forget to use them, were they maintained properly? Second issue is there is always neutral. They teach that in drivers ed when I took it. Once in nuetral...problem is purely due care in pulling over and turning it off. Third, there is the ignition. Turn it off long enough for it to stop and then to run (but not start) and coast. Works even without brakes! So ask, why did it take this incopentat driver so long to do some basic steps? Which makes me think this driver is carelessly gradstanding like OJ did. > TheTibetanMonkey"<comandante.banana(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:63afaded-a68d-4313-9f8e-034da9e19ad8(a)g19g2000yqe.googlegroups.com... > Another of these little MOWING MACHINES runs out of control. My take > on the issue is that Toyota sends the engineers with the highest IQ to > work at Lexus, while those with very low IQ are assigned to Toyota. I > know because I once owned a little Toyota Tercel. UNSAFE AT ANY SPEED, > you know... > > EL CAJON, Calif. � A California Highway Patrol officer helped slow a > runaway Toyota Prius from 94 mph to a safe stop on Monday after the > car's accelerator became stuck on a San Diego County freeway, the CHP > said. > > Prius driver James Sikes called 911 about 1:30 p.m. after accelerating > to pass another vehicle on Interstate 8 near La Posta and finding that > he could not control his car, the CHP said. > > "I pushed the gas pedal to pass a car and it did something kind of > funny... it jumped and it just stuck there," the 61-year-old driver > said at a news conference. "As it was going, I was trying the > brakes...it wasn't stopping, it wasn't doing anything and it just kept > speeding up," Sikes said, adding he could smell the brakes burning he > was pressing the pedal so hard. > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_runaway_prius > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS > > "The monkey should be treated with the same respect as the lion" > > http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION > > -- -------------- Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
From: Canuck57 on 9 Mar 2010 21:28 On 09/03/2010 1:39 PM, Obveeus wrote: > e > "Mike Hunter"<Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message > news:4b96a406$0$2645$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >> The press always takes notice when people are killed, especially 54 of >> them. When water leaks into the trunk, not so much > > 30,000+ people died in car accidents last year. Feel free to post a > breakdown by car manufacturer if you think Toyota is killing people. > Otherwise, your focus on these particular 54 vs. the hundreds/thousands of > others that died due to steering problems, airbag failures, poor crash > protection, inability to operate the vehicle, blind spots, etc... seems a > bit agenda based. That would be good to get a copy of. Then also rate it to how many sold so it is a probability of death index. Bet it would raise some eyebrows too. This was obviously a OJ like situation. The driver could have: - slammed the brakes on hard, brakes have more braking than engines have horsepawer. - stuck it in neutral. - turned it off. Or any combination of above. More likely the idiot was speeding and is using it as an excuse. Get some TV time. -- -------------- Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
From: Canuck57 on 10 Mar 2010 08:07 On 09/03/2010 7:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > > > "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote >> >> Second issue is there is always neutral. They teach that in drivers ed >> when I took it. Once in nuetral...problem is purely due care in >> pulling over and turning it off. > > The news tonight had the recording of part of the 911 call: > Operator: Did you try shifting to neutral? > Driver: NO > > He later said he was afraid to because he thought the car might flip. He > should have his license revoked. Agreed. He was obviously grandstanding. Maybe thought he was going to get nipped for speeding. Also said something like he was busy controling the car to shift it, yet he could dial 911 on the cell... Cops should yank his license. -- -------------- Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do.
From: Jim Higgins on 10 Mar 2010 12:33
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "jr92" <coachrose13(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:a75e7924-0a0e-484a-98a3-f6618f2da1f7(a)j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 9, 8:18 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> > wrote: >> "Canuck57" <Canuc...(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> >> news:wjCln.23038$wr5.20912(a)newsfe22.iad... >> >>> Third, there is the ignition. Turn it off long enough for it to stop and >>> then to run (but not start) and coast. Works even without brakes! >> Might not be possible to set it back to run position with a pushbutton >> ignition. Know what I mean? But, you and I can only offer conjecture >> unless >> we've used a Prius or read the manual. >> >>> So ask, why did it take this incopentat driver so long to do some basic >>> steps? >> Because our system of testing drivers does not weed out the incompetent >> ones, who comprise almost 90% of drivers on the road. > > Are you saying that it is alright for auto manufacturers to produce > dangerous vehicles because the driver should be able to overcome > anthing that fails, weather if be faulty steering, sudden > acceleration, or bad brakes, if the driver is paying > attention??????????????????? > > ================== > > I never said anything even remotely resembling what you want to believe I > said. > > ================== > > > Are you tying to say that the driver, who paid tens of thousands of > dollars for a vechicle he should reasonably assume will steer WHERE > he wants it to go, accelerate WHEN he wants to (and NOT accererate > when he does NOT WANT IT TOO), and stop WHEN he wants it to, should > reasonably expect all these things????? > > > ================== > > I never said anything even remotely resembling what you want to believe I > said. > > ================== > > Myself, I think if a person only paid 25 grand for a car, and it > suddenly accelerated out of control or would not stop when the brakes > were applied, it would HAVE to be the fault of the driver. After all, > you only get what you pay for!!!!!!!!!!! > > > OTOH, I really think that: > > > > One should not HAVE TO BE READY TO PUT THE TRANSMISSION IN NUTREAL IN > CASE THE CAR SUDDENLY ACCELERATES OUT OF CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ================== > > By saying that, you have proven that I am correct when I say that about 90% > of drivers are and always will be unqualified to operate a motor vehicle of > any kind. A driver must be ready for absolutely ANYTHING. > > Toyota's new optional accessory-an Anchor Eject device. -- Civis Romanus Sum |