From: Ray O on 13 Jul 2006 23:43 "Ernie Sty" <fake_email(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:pKWdnWswWb3w4yjZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message > news:ea4cd$449ee397$180fead6$7258(a)msgid.meganewsservers.com... >> >> <henree21(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1151255890.861571.84830(a)r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>>> Check out the contacts on the starter relay. I doubt if it is an >>>> exhaust >>>> problem. >>> Yeah I am pretty sure the solenoid contacts are a good choice of >>> culprit. But I don't know anything about cars. If I go to a mechanic to >>> look at the starter. How do I approach him, without looking like a >>> complete imbecile. I have always been a sucker for cons. The mechanic >>> may tell me I have thousands of dollars of work that needs to be done. >>> I like to be specific as possible when I have to get work done at the >>> shop. That way they think I know what I am talking about. >>> >> >> Pick a shop that employs technicians certified by the National Institute >> of Automotive Service Excellence (ASE), preferably a shop that also has >> AAA certification. A shop that goes to the trouble of going through the >> AAA certification process and employs techs who take the time and effort >> to become ASE certified is more likely to be honest and competent. >> >> It is never a good idea to go to a repair shop and ask them to repair or >> replace a specific component, i.e., the starter or starter contacts, >> unless you are absolutely positive of your diagnosis. If your diagnosis >> was incorrect, you have nobody to blame for the unnecessary work except >> yourself. One should go to the repair shop and describe the symptoms as >> clearly and completely as possible so that the technician working on the >> vehicle can come to their own diagnosis and recommended repairs. When I >> take one of my vehicles to a shop for service, I describe the symptoms, >> even when I am pretty sure of the diagnosis myself. That said, having an >> idea of the cause of the problem is a good reality check for the shop's >> diagnosis. > > > Another good tip is to have them write on the estimate exactly what > problem it's intended to fix. A couple times I've taken a vehicle to some > place for a specific problem, they diagnosed a bad whatsis, asked me to > approve replacing it, they then replaced the whatsis and the problem was > still there. If you have them state on the estimate what the specific > problem is you want them to fix, you have more leverage when you say > "Please replace the part(s) you took out, take back the new one(s) and I'd > like a full refund since you did not fix the problem and clearly this > faulty whatsis was not the cause of it." > > I've never done that, but at a Precision Tune I asked them specifically if > replacing a certain part would fix the problem, and when it didn't, they > put the old one back in and gave me a full refund after very little > pushing. They tried to use the excuse that the part they replaced was > indeed bad, but I countered with the fact that bad or not, I would not > have paid to replace it if they had not told me it would fix the problem. > In retrospect, I'm amazed that worked since I didn't have anything on > paper, just a verbal understanding. > Good advice! Especially at an independent or chain operation. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
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