From: Jeff on
witfal wrote:
> On 2007-06-22 17:22:44 -0700, "GO Mavs" <GoMavs(a)MavvZ.com> said:
>
>> good to know.. guess i wont be topping off anymore...
>>
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:98ebf$467c5217$44a4a10d$12508(a)msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>>>
>>> "GO Mavs" <GoMavs(a)MavvZ.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942(a)trnddc07...
>>>> i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>>>> automatic click..
>>>
>>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there
>>> is a
>>> chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister
>>> from
>>> constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to the
>>> nearest nickel or dime.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> One other caveat:
>
> Gas stations use either of two types of vapor recovery, vacuum and
> balance, to reduce smog. Both
> require the use of special hoses which are, in reality, a hose within a
> hose. Remember those old
> monstrosities which had two hoses connected to the nozzle. Vacuum
> systems are identified easily
> by a smooth, hard-surfaced hose, whereas balance systems use a hose
> similar in appearance to
> your vacuum cleaner, i.e. accordion folds.
>
> The former is an active system that recovers vapor displaced by the fuel
> you pump into your tank via
> vacuum pumps. The vapor is returned to the UST (underground storage tank).
>
> The latter uses the vacuum created when fuel is removed from underground
> tanks, which passively
> recovers vapor displaced by the same fuel you put into your vehicle, and
> returns it to the UST.
>
> In either case, particularly vacuum systems, the fuel which spits upward
> during over-filling makes its
> way to either of two destinations. The ground or back into the UST.
>
> Your wallet is the loser.

And our lungs the winners.

Jeff
From: sharx35 on

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:25:21 +0000, sharx35 wrote:
>
>> Bladder? what the Hell is the point of a bladder inside a car gas tank?
>> Sounds like some bogus environmental feature mandated by the Communist
>> Republics of California or Massatwoshits.
>
>
> Or both?
>
> How the hell did we get equated with California, anyway?
>
> Because of the Boston/Eastern part of the state. At one time there was
> enough smog there to rival LA...
>
>
Now there's just hot air, eh, Hashi?



From: sharx35 on

"Wickeddoll´┐Ż" <wickeddollNoEffingSpam1958(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "GO Mavs" ...
>> good to know.. guess i wont be topping off anymore...
>>
>>
>> "Ray O" ...
>>>
>>> "GO Mavs" ...
>>>>i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>>>>automatic click..
>>>
>>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there is
>>> a chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister
>>> from constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to
>>> the nearest nickel or dime.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>
> I never topped off, anyway. Seemed kind of obsessive-compulsive to me.
>
> Natalie
>

Heh, heh, like *having* to get the last 1/4 inch in!! <<fwap>> <<fwap>>



From: sharx35 on

"witfal" <nospam(a)all4.me> wrote in message
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> On 2007-06-22 19:02:25 -0700, Jeff <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> said:
>
>>> Your wallet is the loser.
>>
>> And our lungs the winners.
>
> UNLESS you've spilled it on the ground. We all lose then.
>

Onan was struck down for doing that.


From: sharx35 on

<nm5k(a)wt.net> wrote in message
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> On Jun 22, 4:49 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>> "GO Mavs" <GoM...(a)MavvZ.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942(a)trnddc07...
>>
>> >i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the
>> >automatic click..
>>
>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there is
>> a
>> chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister from
>> constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to the
>> nearest nickel or dime.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> Yep. That happened to me 3 days after I got mine..
> Not on purpose though.. I was getting gas and the
> cutoff didn't work right, and it spewed gas all out the
> nozzle, side of the car, etc..
> Sure nuff, about a day or two later, and the OBD2 light
> is going off.. Checked, and was evap emission problems..
>
> - P0441 (Evaporative Emission Control System
> Incorrect Purge Flow)
> - P043E (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice
> Clog Up)
> - P043F (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice
> High Flow)
> - P2401 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection
> Pump Control Circuit Low)
> - P2402 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection Pump
> Control Circuit High)
> - P2419 (Evaporative Emission System Switching Valve
> Control Circuit Low)
>
> Those were the exact codes on my particular car..
> I ended up not doing anything about it at that time, as
> it didn't seem to effect runability or mpg. I assumed
> I flooded the canister, which I'm pretty sure it did now.
> It finally dried up, and I haven't had it go off in
> about 7-8 weeks, and maybe 1500? miles later.
> When it was first starting to dry out, the light would go
> off for a while, then get irritable probably due to low
> flow, and come back on for a while. Then finally it went
> out, and has been out since.
> So if anyone floods their canister, I'd wait a while to
> see if it will dry up before doing anything about it..
> Mine fixed itself, but it took a couple of months..
> Also, the warmer temps of spring seemed to help
> speed things up.
> When I fill, I click off and very little more. I'm also very
> careful not to get gas in either of the ports inside the
> gas tank compartment. You can see them if you look
> in there.
> MK
>
>
In my case the codes were P0440 and P0441, I do believe. That was when I
stopped overfilling.