From: Jeff on 22 Jun 2007 22:02 witfal wrote: > On 2007-06-22 17:22:44 -0700, "GO Mavs" <GoMavs(a)MavvZ.com> said: > >> good to know.. guess i wont be topping off anymore... >> >> >> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message >> news:98ebf$467c5217$44a4a10d$12508(a)msgid.meganewsservers.com... >>> >>> "GO Mavs" <GoMavs(a)MavvZ.com> wrote in message >>> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942(a)trnddc07... >>>> i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the >>>> automatic click.. >>> >>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there >>> is a >>> chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister >>> from >>> constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to the >>> nearest nickel or dime. >>> -- >>> >>> Ray O >>> (correct punctuation to reply) > > One other caveat: > > Gas stations use either of two types of vapor recovery, vacuum and > balance, to reduce smog. Both > require the use of special hoses which are, in reality, a hose within a > hose. Remember those old > monstrosities which had two hoses connected to the nozzle. Vacuum > systems are identified easily > by a smooth, hard-surfaced hose, whereas balance systems use a hose > similar in appearance to > your vacuum cleaner, i.e. accordion folds. > > The former is an active system that recovers vapor displaced by the fuel > you pump into your tank via > vacuum pumps. The vapor is returned to the UST (underground storage tank). > > The latter uses the vacuum created when fuel is removed from underground > tanks, which passively > recovers vapor displaced by the same fuel you put into your vehicle, and > returns it to the UST. > > In either case, particularly vacuum systems, the fuel which spits upward > during over-filling makes its > way to either of two destinations. The ground or back into the UST. > > Your wallet is the loser. And our lungs the winners. Jeff
From: sharx35 on 22 Jun 2007 23:13 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)AE86.gts> wrote in message news:r4_ei.176$XH5.102(a)trndny02... > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:25:21 +0000, sharx35 wrote: > >> Bladder? what the Hell is the point of a bladder inside a car gas tank? >> Sounds like some bogus environmental feature mandated by the Communist >> Republics of California or Massatwoshits. > > > Or both? > > How the hell did we get equated with California, anyway? > > Because of the Boston/Eastern part of the state. At one time there was > enough smog there to rival LA... > > Now there's just hot air, eh, Hashi?
From: sharx35 on 22 Jun 2007 23:14 "Wickeddoll�" <wickeddollNoEffingSpam1958(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f5hbb7.3to.1(a)news.evilcabal.org... > > "GO Mavs" ... >> good to know.. guess i wont be topping off anymore... >> >> >> "Ray O" ... >>> >>> "GO Mavs" ... >>>>i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the >>>>automatic click.. >>> >>> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there is >>> a chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister >>> from constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to >>> the nearest nickel or dime. >>> -- >>> >>> Ray O > > I never topped off, anyway. Seemed kind of obsessive-compulsive to me. > > Natalie > Heh, heh, like *having* to get the last 1/4 inch in!! <<fwap>> <<fwap>>
From: sharx35 on 22 Jun 2007 23:15 "witfal" <nospam(a)all4.me> wrote in message news:f5hv2t$8tf$1(a)news.albasani.net... > On 2007-06-22 19:02:25 -0700, Jeff <kidsdoc2000(a)hotmail.com> said: > >>> Your wallet is the loser. >> >> And our lungs the winners. > > UNLESS you've spilled it on the ground. We all lose then. > Onan was struck down for doing that.
From: sharx35 on 22 Jun 2007 23:17
<nm5k(a)wt.net> wrote in message news:1182561120.752303.200850(a)q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 22, 4:49 pm, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote: >> "GO Mavs" <GoM...(a)MavvZ.com> wrote in message >> >> news:ogYei.1227$yN.942(a)trnddc07... >> >> >i usually top off.. add another dollar of gas to the car after the >> >automatic click.. >> >> That is a bad habit to get in to. Besides the risk of spills, there is >> a >> chance, albeit small, that you can contaminate the charcoal canister from >> constant overfilling. When the pump clicks off, I just round up to the >> nearest nickel or dime. >> -- >> >> Ray O >> (correct punctuation to reply) > > Yep. That happened to me 3 days after I got mine.. > Not on purpose though.. I was getting gas and the > cutoff didn't work right, and it spewed gas all out the > nozzle, side of the car, etc.. > Sure nuff, about a day or two later, and the OBD2 light > is going off.. Checked, and was evap emission problems.. > > - P0441 (Evaporative Emission Control System > Incorrect Purge Flow) > - P043E (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice > Clog Up) > - P043F (Evaporative Emission System Reference Orifice > High Flow) > - P2401 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection > Pump Control Circuit Low) > - P2402 (Evaporative Emission System Leak Detection Pump > Control Circuit High) > - P2419 (Evaporative Emission System Switching Valve > Control Circuit Low) > > Those were the exact codes on my particular car.. > I ended up not doing anything about it at that time, as > it didn't seem to effect runability or mpg. I assumed > I flooded the canister, which I'm pretty sure it did now. > It finally dried up, and I haven't had it go off in > about 7-8 weeks, and maybe 1500? miles later. > When it was first starting to dry out, the light would go > off for a while, then get irritable probably due to low > flow, and come back on for a while. Then finally it went > out, and has been out since. > So if anyone floods their canister, I'd wait a while to > see if it will dry up before doing anything about it.. > Mine fixed itself, but it took a couple of months.. > Also, the warmer temps of spring seemed to help > speed things up. > When I fill, I click off and very little more. I'm also very > careful not to get gas in either of the ports inside the > gas tank compartment. You can see them if you look > in there. > MK > > In my case the codes were P0440 and P0441, I do believe. That was when I stopped overfilling. |