GM Dealer Challenges the Toyota Tundra's Ads... AS BULL
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From: Mike Hunter on 30 Mar 2007 19:22 As any salesman and he will tell you the last question a customer asks before signing on the dotted line is; "How much is my monthly payment?" ;) mike "Dave" <daves1955(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:TR7Ph.67829$un.66100(a)trnddc03... > Leythos wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:28:32 +0000, Dave wrote: >> >>> Larry wrote: >>> >>>> I, for one, do not agree with your final assessment, but I do find it >>>> useful to point out misleading conclusions in manufacturer's claims. >>>> This reminds me of the Camry/Accord/Fusion comparison in the Ford >>>> commercial where the AWD Fusion is compared with a FWD Camry and FWD >>>> Accord. I wonder what the results would have been if they had tested >>>> a FWD Fusion. >>>> Larry >>>> >>> That may be true but I bet the price of the AWD Fusion is in the same >>> ballpark as the FWD only Accord and Camry and therefore a valid >>> comparison. >> >> Price of a vehicle does not put it in the same category when testing >> performance. >> > > But it DOES when buying a vehicle!
From: Mike Hunter on 30 Mar 2007 19:27 Among the vehicles you try, drive and get a total drive home price on a Ford Edge, then decide, WBMA mike "Leythos" <Void(a)nowhere.lan> wrote in message news:1175266696_11373(a)sp6iad.superfeed.net... .. > > I've been trying to find a 4x4 or AWD vehicle that has some cargo capacity > (an SUV type, not a truck), gets about 20 City, has 250+HP, and handles > curves real well - under $40K. > > -- > Leythos
From: Mike Hunter on 30 Mar 2007 19:30 One is always best served by first driving all those that they believe will suit their needs, then get a total drive home price for each and buy the one that best suits their budget. mike "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:1175272976.787099.77970(a)r56g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 30, 10:58 am, Leythos <V...(a)nowhere.lan> wrote: > >> I've been trying to find a 4x4 or AWD vehicle that has some cargo >> capacity >> (an SUV type, not a truck), gets about 20 City, has 250+HP, and handles >> curves real well - under $40K. > > Honda Ridgline? Not much of a truck, but might be what you need. Or > if by SUV, you mean something with an encloded rear compartment, how > about a four cylinder RAV4 or CRV or Escape? > > Ed >
From: jcr on 30 Mar 2007 21:56 C. E. White wrote: > I see Toyota has another new Tundra ad on TV. Like the others it is > deceptive, if not actually factually incorrect. They line up all the major > full size pick-ups and do a side by side 0 to 60 to 0 run. They tell you > which Tundra they are running (5.7L engine), but don't provide details of > the other trucks (hopefully they all have the best 0-60 set-up). The Tundra > clearly wins. This is fine. Irrelevant, but fine - people who actually NEED > trucks don't do a lot of WOT 0-60 runs. I have no problem with a clear > demonstration of the Tundra's superior acceleration since I don't really do > much drag racing with my pick-up. What bugs me was the announcers final > statement - something to the effect that it stopped 30 feet shorter than the > competition. While this is true when you consider the distance from the > start of the 0 to 60 to 0 run, the way the line was phrased could be > interpreted to mean that the Tundra's stopping distance from 60 was 30 feet > shorter than the competitions. It wasn't. Most of the 30 feet was gained > during the acceleration phase. So while the commercial was factually correct > it was carefully worded so as to encourage people to believe something that > was not actually demonstrated. In their 2007 Full Size Pick-up Road > Comparison Test, Edmunds.com recorded the 5.7 Double Cab Tundras stopping > distance from 60 as 131 feet. A similar Silverado managed 139 feet. A > similar Titan stopped from 60 in 127 feet. In the recent Car and Driver 2007 > pick-up comparison test, the 70-0 results were F150 - 200 feet, Dodge 1500 - > 196 feet, Tundra - 197 feet, Nissan Titian 200 feet, Silverado - 187 feet. > So despite the attempt to make it seem as if the Tundra had exceptional > brakes, they are in fact typical of the class. But if you want to drag race > your Tundra, it is first rate. Too bad it is a fourth rate work truck. > > Ed > > I'd be very surprised if Toyota's "fastest" truck would out-accelerate the V-10 engines that Ford and Dodge produce.
From: jcr on 30 Mar 2007 21:59
PerfectReign wrote: > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:36:02 -0700, a rock fell the sky, hitting Larry on > the head, and inspiring the following: >> I, for one, do not agree with your final assessment, but I do find it >> useful to point out misleading conclusions in manufacturer's claims. >> This reminds me of the Camry/Accord/Fusion comparison in the Ford >> commercial where the AWD Fusion is compared with a FWD Camry and FWD >> Accord. I wonder what the results would have been if they had tested a >> FWD Fusion. >> Larry > > Exactly. It is kind of like Microsoft showing how secure Windows 2003 is > compared to Linux. They compare Win2003 to some older version of Red Hat, > or worse, when they compare the TCO of upgrading to Linux from windows > and include training costs vs. simply staying with Windows. > > Doh! > > As an aside, I decided to drag race - well, sort of - my wife yesterday. > She was in her '05 Vue and I in my '06 Avalanche. > > Her 240 HP V6 completely outran my 310 HP V8. Of course, her car weighs > 3,400 lbs. compared to my truck at almost 6,000 lbs. > > :P > > And the V-6 engine in the Saturn Vue is made by Honda. |