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From: tmiller159 on 11 Aug 2007 11:16
There seems to be a common problem with Toyota trucks. FRAME RUST! I
own a 99 SR5 4x4 with Extracab that has 130,000+ miles on it. The
body is great. The truck runs great. It still has the original
exhaust system. The frame is rotting away like you wouldn't believe.
There is absolutely no reason the non-stainless steel exhaust system
and body should outlive the truck's frame. The frame is 4-5 times
thicker than the exhaust and is not subjected to rapid corrosion from
the heat like the exhaust. If the body and exhaust can be made to
last 10 years, so can the frame.

This is a very sad state of affairs and speaks poorly of Toyota's
attitude toward vehicle longevity. They obviously do not want your
truck to last 10 years! It seems when the warranty is up, throw it
away, is their attitude. I have an 89 VW Camper and 91 VW Jetta with
the same mileage, driven in the same area/conditions, that are still
running. Factory stock, no extra rustproofing. No major rust
whatsoever. Too bad VW doesn't make a 4x4 pickup!

My Tacoma frame is starting to look like swiss cheese. I jacked it up
to replace the rear shocks and buckled the frame ahead of the RR
spring mount. That prompted me to look closer. There are numerous
plates welded on here and there by the previous owner. Rust proofing
hid it all. I have been searching for a replacement frame with the
idea of swapping it but this is major work. $6000 worth if you have
the dealer do it for you!! I have $6500 in payments to go so I can't
just throw it away, and I won't dump it on someone else, so I have to
deal with it. It will be the last time I own a Toyota truck. I
wonder if they are getting their frame steel from China? I think so
as it is rusting from the inside-out. A sign of contaminated steel.
Remember how bad the Japanese steel was 35 years ago? 1970's Honda
Civic fenders rotted out in 2 years and Honda was forced to replace
them under warranty. The Chinese are just now learning how to make
steel.

From: Dan G on 11 Aug 2007 11:30

"tmiller159" <tmiller159(a)ispmonsters.com> wrote in message
news:1186845365.699388.312410(a)b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>My Tacoma frame is starting to look like swiss cheese. I jacked it up
>to replace the rear shocks and buckled the frame ahead of the RR
>spring mount. That prompted me to look closer. There are numerous
>plates welded on here and there by the previous owner. Rust proofing
>hid it all.


This should be your focus, not blaming Toyota for the previous owner's
actions. You NEVER weld on a frame unless you know exactly how it's done,
and even then it's a pretty bad idea. This is probably the source of your
problem. If you're smart, you'll get rid of that truck as fast as possible.
Most likely some other mistakes were made with the "rust-proofing", since
this is also not Toyota installed.

It's not hard to understand your frustration at being screwed on the
purchase, but you DID have an opportunity to discover these problems before
you paid, didn't you? Stop blaming Toyota, it's got nothing to do with the
quality of the frame or materials.


From: mudmonkey on 11 Aug 2007 11:31
On Aug 11, 8:16 am, tmiller159 <tmiller...(a)ispmonsters.com> wrote:
> There seems to be a common problem with Toyota trucks. FRAME RUST! I
> own a 99 SR5 4x4 with Extracab that has 130,000+ miles on it. The
> body is great. The truck runs great. It still has the original
> exhaust system. The frame is rotting away like you wouldn't believe.
> There is absolutely no reason the non-stainless steel exhaust system
> and body should outlive the truck's frame. The frame is 4-5 times
> thicker than the exhaust and is not subjected to rapid corrosion from
> the heat like the exhaust. If the body and exhaust can be made to
> last 10 years, so can the frame.
>
> This is a very sad state of affairs and speaks poorly of Toyota's
> attitude toward vehicle longevity. They obviously do not want your
> truck to last 10 years! It seems when the warranty is up, throw it
> away, is their attitude. I have an 89 VW Camper and 91 VW Jetta with
> the same mileage, driven in the same area/conditions, that are still
> running. Factory stock, no extra rustproofing. No major rust
> whatsoever. Too bad VW doesn't make a 4x4 pickup!
>
> My Tacoma frame is starting to look like swiss cheese. I jacked it up
> to replace the rear shocks and buckled the frame ahead of the RR
> spring mount. That prompted me to look closer. There are numerous
> plates welded on here and there by the previous owner. Rust proofing
> hid it all. I have been searching for a replacement frame with the
> idea of swapping it but this is major work. $6000 worth if you have
> the dealer do it for you!! I have $6500 in payments to go so I can't
> just throw it away, and I won't dump it on someone else, so I have to
> deal with it. It will be the last time I own a Toyota truck. I
> wonder if they are getting their frame steel from China? I think so
> as it is rusting from the inside-out. A sign of contaminated steel.
> Remember how bad the Japanese steel was 35 years ago? 1970's Honda
> Civic fenders rotted out in 2 years and Honda was forced to replace
> them under warranty. The Chinese are just now learning how to make
> steel.

Do you liver in a harsh winter area where the authorities use salt on
the roads? that would helf the frame get cancer easily?

From: OldPhart on 11 Aug 2007 13:23

"tmiller159" <tmiller159(a)ispmonsters.com> wrote in message
news:1186845365.699388.312410(a)b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| There seems to be a common problem with Toyota trucks. FRAME RUST! I
| own a 99 SR5 4x4 with Extracab that has 130,000+ miles on it. The
| body is great. The truck runs great. It still has the original
| exhaust system. The frame is rotting away like you wouldn't believe.
| There is absolutely no reason the non-stainless steel exhaust system
| and body should outlive the truck's frame. The frame is 4-5 times
| thicker than the exhaust and is not subjected to rapid corrosion from
| the heat like the exhaust. If the body and exhaust can be made to
| last 10 years, so can the frame.
|
| This is a very sad state of affairs and speaks poorly of Toyota's
| attitude toward vehicle longevity. They obviously do not want your
| truck to last 10 years! It seems when the warranty is up, throw it
| away, is their attitude. I have an 89 VW Camper and 91 VW Jetta with
| the same mileage, driven in the same area/conditions, that are still
| running. Factory stock, no extra rustproofing. No major rust
| whatsoever. Too bad VW doesn't make a 4x4 pickup!
|
| My Tacoma frame is starting to look like swiss cheese. I jacked it up
| to replace the rear shocks and buckled the frame ahead of the RR
| spring mount. That prompted me to look closer. There are numerous
| plates welded on here and there by the previous owner. Rust proofing
| hid it all. I have been searching for a replacement frame with the
| idea of swapping it but this is major work. $6000 worth if you have
| the dealer do it for you!! I have $6500 in payments to go so I can't
| just throw it away, and I won't dump it on someone else, so I have to
| deal with it. It will be the last time I own a Toyota truck. I
| wonder if they are getting their frame steel from China? I think so
| as it is rusting from the inside-out. A sign of contaminated steel.
| Remember how bad the Japanese steel was 35 years ago? 1970's Honda
| Civic fenders rotted out in 2 years and Honda was forced to replace
| them under warranty. The Chinese are just now learning how to make
| steel.
|

I also have a '99 Toyota SR5 extra cab 4X4 with the V6 engine. The frame
is pristine with 95,000 miles on it. It is a Texas truck and has seen
very little road salt since it was born. But, when it has been exposed
to salt the under carriage has been washed ASAP to remove the salt.

--
OldPhart


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From: Dan G on 11 Aug 2007 19:17

"mudmonkey" <MatandLaura(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Do you liver in a harsh winter area where the authorities use salt on
> the roads? that would helf the frame get cancer easily?
>

He as much as said that it had undercoating applied on top of the rust, so I
think that pretty much explains the problem. That and the welding. Applying
any coating on top of rust will usually accelerate the rot.


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