Electronic rust inhibitor
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From: homepc on 24 Sep 2006 12:53 Thanks for the heads up on the rail dust removal. Here is a link I found that explains it fully: http://www.clean-image.co.uk/articles/fallout.htm The article mentions that the fallout carries a negative charge and is attracted to the car body which carries a positive charge. I wonder if the electronic rust inhibitor ( that creates a negative charge on the car body ) will help slow the fallout from binding to the paint to some degree. I remember getting really po'd about this stuff on my paint. It was really hard to get off, even with frequent washing, it made no difference at all. The car dealer reapplied the paint sealer to my Tercel after about 8 months but it made no difference. At that point I sort of resigned myself to the idea that it was something I had to live with. The clay is a clever idea and will keep that in mind. "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)ae86.gts> wrote in message news:47xRg.195$8U2.123(a)trndny08... > On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:01:06 -0500, homepc wrote: > >> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. >> There >> is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge of >> the >> car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond cote >> paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not very >> helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white >> paint >> soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was >> industrial >> fall out. > > This is called 'rail dust' and is removable. ALL detailing shops have > methods for removing it, but to pay them can be pretty expensive. > > Go to your friendly parts or detailing store and tell them you want clay > to remove rail dust, and Google "Rail dust removal" > > You'll find the methods and items you need. > > Basically, the clay is like chewed up bubble gum, you roll the clay around > the body and pick up the rail dust, fold the clay up so you have fresh > surfaces, and do it again. Folloing with a buffing with a good buffer and > good materials (3M or Meguire's is good) and a nice coat of wax or > Simonize (get it on e-bay but don't spen more then $45!) The Simonize is a > bit better than wax at keeping the rail dust and other things from > sticking to the car. A bit. Unless you wax on a regular basis... > > >> I figure it was probably caused by continuous exposure to diesel >> exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint protection was not >> warranted >> against that kind of thing, so it was a waste of money. The rust >> proofing >> (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably worth it, as the rust just >> started >> forming around four years ago, and it only appears on the outside painted >> surface of the car body. There is little evidence of rust on the >> underside >> of the car and no perforations. >> >> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be >> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all >> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems >> redundant. >> However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is capable of >> just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the winter >> months >> it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm lucky, I hope >> to >> keep my new car as long as my last one. >> >> >> >> "Ghislain" <ghislaing(a)teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message >> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)teksavvy.com... >>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including >>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a >>> low >>> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a >>> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those >>> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all. >>> >>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had >>> minor rust in some areas. >>> "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news: >>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804(a)newsfe16.lga... >>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering >>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership >>>> installed >>>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more >>>> robust >>>> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold >>>> at >>>> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and >>>> it >>>> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery. >>>> >>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users >>>> from >>>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? >>>> >>> >>> >
From: Hachiroku on 24 Sep 2006 14:14 On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 11:53:10 -0500, homepc wrote: > Thanks for the heads up on the rail dust removal. Here is a link I found > that explains it fully: > > http://www.clean-image.co.uk/articles/fallout.htm > > > The article mentions that the fallout carries a negative charge and is > attracted to the car body which carries a positive charge. I wonder if the > electronic rust inhibitor ( that creates a negative charge on the car body ) > will help slow the fallout from binding to the paint to some degree. > > I remember getting really po'd about this stuff on my paint. It was really > hard to get off, even with frequent washing, it made no difference at all. > The car dealer reapplied the paint sealer to my Tercel after about 8 months > but it made no difference. At that point I sort of resigned myself to the > idea that it was something I had to live with. > > The clay is a clever idea and will keep that in mind. It is a bit of a PITA, and will take the better part of a Saturday or Sunday to complete. The other thing I neglected to mention was that, like the 'Teflon' paint sealants like Simonize or the Ultrashield mentioned in the wen page you provided, what you are REALLY paying for with the Electronic Rust Preventer is the warranty. When caught early, rust can cost a couple hundred $$$ to fix. If acted on later, we're talking thousands. If the warranty covers SURFACE rust, it is worth it. Actually, if it covers perferation for the Life of the car, it is WELL worth it! If the coverage is only for 4-6 years, forget it. It will take a Toyota longer than that to rot, unless you really abuse it. I think I paid $399 for mine in 1988. > > > "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)ae86.gts> wrote in message > news:47xRg.195$8U2.123(a)trndny08... >> On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:01:06 -0500, homepc wrote: >> >>> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. >>> There >>> is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge of >>> the >>> car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond cote >>> paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not very >>> helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white >>> paint >>> soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was >>> industrial >>> fall out. >> >> This is called 'rail dust' and is removable. ALL detailing shops have >> methods for removing it, but to pay them can be pretty expensive. >> >> Go to your friendly parts or detailing store and tell them you want clay >> to remove rail dust, and Google "Rail dust removal" >> >> You'll find the methods and items you need. >> >> Basically, the clay is like chewed up bubble gum, you roll the clay around >> the body and pick up the rail dust, fold the clay up so you have fresh >> surfaces, and do it again. Folloing with a buffing with a good buffer and >> good materials (3M or Meguire's is good) and a nice coat of wax or >> Simonize (get it on e-bay but don't spen more then $45!) The Simonize is a >> bit better than wax at keeping the rail dust and other things from >> sticking to the car. A bit. Unless you wax on a regular basis... >> >> >>> I figure it was probably caused by continuous exposure to diesel >>> exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint protection was not >>> warranted >>> against that kind of thing, so it was a waste of money. The rust >>> proofing >>> (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably worth it, as the rust just >>> started >>> forming around four years ago, and it only appears on the outside painted >>> surface of the car body. There is little evidence of rust on the >>> underside >>> of the car and no perforations. >>> >>> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be >>> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all >>> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems >>> redundant. >>> However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is capable of >>> just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the winter >>> months >>> it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm lucky, I hope >>> to >>> keep my new car as long as my last one. >>> >>> >>> >>> "Ghislain" <ghislaing(a)teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message >>> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)teksavvy.com... >>>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including >>>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a >>>> low >>>> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a >>>> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those >>>> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all. >>>> >>>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had >>>> minor rust in some areas. >>>> "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news: >>>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804(a)newsfe16.lga... >>>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering >>>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership >>>>> installed >>>>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more >>>>> robust >>>>> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold >>>>> at >>>>> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and >>>>> it >>>>> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery. >>>>> >>>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users >>>>> from >>>>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
From: Ghislain on 24 Sep 2006 14:45 On the '97 Corolla, the wheel wells also appeared to have surface rust, but they actually rusted from inside because of a lack of antirust (most 93-97 Corollas in my area have the same issue). Did you ever replace the fuel tank? I never had a Toyota fuel tank last more than 8 years. "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message tmvRg.7212$oD3.7052(a)newsfe16.lga... > The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. > There is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge > of the car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond > cote paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not > very helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white > paint soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was > industrial fall out. I figure it was probably caused by continuous > exposure to diesel exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint > protection was not warranted against that kind of thing, so it was a waste > of money. The rust proofing (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably > worth it, as the rust just started forming around four years ago, and it > only appears on the outside painted surface of the car body. There is > little evidence of rust on the underside of the car and no perforations. > > I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be > thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all > well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems > redundant. However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is > capable of just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the > winter months it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm > lucky, I hope to keep my new car as long as my last one. > > > > "Ghislain" <ghislaing(a)teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message > news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)teksavvy.com... >> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including >> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low >> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a >> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those >> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all. >> >> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had >> minor rust in some areas. >> "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news: >> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804(a)newsfe16.lga... >>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering >>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed >>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more >>> robust model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being >>> sold at Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car >>> body and it has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery. >>> >>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from >>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? >>> >> >> > >
From: homepc on 24 Sep 2006 14:56 No, my fuel tank never had a problem. I had to get the oil pan replaced a couple of years ago due to corrosion, and that was it. The Toyota mechanic said it was just starting to leak a bit of oil. "Ghislain" <ghislaing(a)teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message news:Re6dncLEWZH9T4vYnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d(a)teksavvy.com... > On the '97 Corolla, the wheel wells also appeared to have surface rust, > but they actually rusted from inside because of a lack of antirust (most > 93-97 Corollas in my area have the same issue). > > Did you ever replace the fuel tank? I never had a Toyota fuel tank last > more than 8 years. > > "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > tmvRg.7212$oD3.7052(a)newsfe16.lga... >> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. >> There is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom >> edge of the car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a >> Diamond cote paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant >> was not very helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and >> the white paint soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer >> said it was industrial fall out. I figure it was probably caused by >> continuous exposure to diesel exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the >> paint protection was not warranted against that kind of thing, so it was >> a waste of money. The rust proofing (waxoil) on the other hand, was >> probably worth it, as the rust just started forming around four years >> ago, and it only appears on the outside painted surface of the car body. >> There is little evidence of rust on the underside of the car and no >> perforations. >> >> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be >> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all >> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems >> redundant. However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is >> capable of just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the >> winter months it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm >> lucky, I hope to keep my new car as long as my last one. >> >> >> >> "Ghislain" <ghislaing(a)teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message >> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)teksavvy.com... >>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including >>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a >>> low mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected >>> by a good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach >>> those areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all. >>> >>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had >>> minor rust in some areas. >>> "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news: >>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804(a)newsfe16.lga... >>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering >>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership >>>> installed at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, >>>> more robust model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system >>>> being sold at Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the >>>> car body and it has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car >>>> battery. >>>> >>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users >>>> from eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
From: Hachiroku on 24 Sep 2006 21:42 On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:45:50 -0400, Ghislain wrote: > On the '97 Corolla, the wheel wells also appeared to have surface rust, but > they actually rusted from inside because of a lack of antirust (most 93-97 > Corollas in my area have the same issue). > > Did you ever replace the fuel tank? I never had a Toyota fuel tank last more > than 8 years. Wow...I've got a 20 year old tank in my 'Hachiroku'. It has been kept FULL since the day I bought it. > > "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > tmvRg.7212$oD3.7052(a)newsfe16.lga... >> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. >> There is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge >> of the car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond >> cote paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not >> very helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white >> paint soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was >> industrial fall out. I figure it was probably caused by continuous >> exposure to diesel exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint >> protection was not warranted against that kind of thing, so it was a waste >> of money. The rust proofing (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably >> worth it, as the rust just started forming around four years ago, and it >> only appears on the outside painted surface of the car body. There is >> little evidence of rust on the underside of the car and no perforations. >> >> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be >> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all >> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems >> redundant. However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is >> capable of just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the >> winter months it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm >> lucky, I hope to keep my new car as long as my last one. >> >> >> >> "Ghislain" <ghislaing(a)teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message >> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)teksavvy.com... >>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including >>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low >>> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a >>> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those >>> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all. >>> >>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had >>> minor rust in some areas. >>> "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news: >>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804(a)newsfe16.lga... >>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering >>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed >>>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more >>>> robust model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being >>>> sold at Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car >>>> body and it has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery. >>>> >>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from >>>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? >>>> >>> >>> >> >>
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