From: Hachiroku on 23 Sep 2006 18:59 On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:16:04 -0500, homepc wrote: > Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering getting > an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed at the same > time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust model that the > electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at Canadian Tire > because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it has a safety cut > off to prevent killing the car battery. > > Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from > eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? Interesting question. Does it work? I dunno...I had one installed on an '88 Honda by the dealer. Did it STOP rust? No, Hondas rot out by the rear wheels, period. It did NOT stop the rust! Did it delay the inevitable? Maybe. It did take a while before rust started appearing (about 8 or 9 years), but then again, my totally NON rustproofed '85 Corolla took SEVENTEEN years before it started showing rust (The Corolla was not driven much in the winter...maybe 3 winters in 17 years...) It does appear to have some effect. I didn't think they were even making these things anymore. the last one I saw...was on my Honda...
From: Ghislain on 23 Sep 2006 19:28 Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all. A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had minor rust in some areas. "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news: n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804(a)newsfe16.lga... > Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering > getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed > at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust > model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at > Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it > has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery. > > Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from > eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? >
From: Bruce L. Bergman on 24 Sep 2006 02:32 On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:16:04 -0500, "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering getting >an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed at the same >time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust model that the >electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at Canadian Tire >because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it has a safety cut >off to prevent killing the car battery. > >Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from >eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? There might be something to it, but I can't see how it can work. I'm going to stick it in the "Snake Oil" category until I see real double-blind studies and real unbiased lab results, which I sincerely doubt the manufacturer is going to do. They can already guess what the results would be, and they really don't want to see solid proof of it so they can keep spouting rosy platitudes. And anything the dealer is adding onto the car is GUARANTEED to only be worth about a quarter of what they want to charge you for it, if that. They buy the device for $20, spend $30 for a junior mechanic to bolt it down and hook it up to the battery, and charge you $400 for this so-called "valuable device" Rust on cars happens when salt water and air get to exposed metal on your car and the steel reacts with the oxygen and water, the salt accelerates the effects. Applying an electrical charge to the car body does nothing for that - this is not a steel pipeline buried in the dirt where galvanic protection and sacrificial anodes can be effective, there's no ground counterpoise for this gizmo to work against... The only thing that will really work in keeping rust away is getting all the exposed unpainted items on the car protected as best you can - up to plating or Teflon or powder coating brake and axle components that often are left unfinished. Keeping the paint and other protective coatings on the body and chassis intact and un-perforated. And aggressively attacking the rust wherever it shows up, as soon as you notice it. Scrape, sand, neutralize, prime, paint. --<< Bruce >>--
From: homepc on 24 Sep 2006 09:01 The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. There is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge of the car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond cote paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not very helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white paint soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was industrial fall out. I figure it was probably caused by continuous exposure to diesel exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint protection was not warranted against that kind of thing, so it was a waste of money. The rust proofing (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably worth it, as the rust just started forming around four years ago, and it only appears on the outside painted surface of the car body. There is little evidence of rust on the underside of the car and no perforations. I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems redundant. However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is capable of just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the winter months it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm lucky, I hope to keep my new car as long as my last one. "Ghislain" <ghislaing(a)teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)teksavvy.com... > Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including > Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low > mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a > good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those > areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all. > > A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had > minor rust in some areas. > "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news: > n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804(a)newsfe16.lga... >> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering >> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed >> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust >> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at >> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it >> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery. >> >> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from >> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? >> > >
From: Hachiroku on 24 Sep 2006 11:03 On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:01:06 -0500, homepc wrote: > The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. There > is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge of the > car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond cote > paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not very > helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white paint > soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was industrial > fall out. This is called 'rail dust' and is removable. ALL detailing shops have methods for removing it, but to pay them can be pretty expensive. Go to your friendly parts or detailing store and tell them you want clay to remove rail dust, and Google "Rail dust removal" You'll find the methods and items you need. Basically, the clay is like chewed up bubble gum, you roll the clay around the body and pick up the rail dust, fold the clay up so you have fresh surfaces, and do it again. Folloing with a buffing with a good buffer and good materials (3M or Meguire's is good) and a nice coat of wax or Simonize (get it on e-bay but don't spen more then $45!) The Simonize is a bit better than wax at keeping the rail dust and other things from sticking to the car. A bit. Unless you wax on a regular basis... > I figure it was probably caused by continuous exposure to diesel > exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint protection was not warranted > against that kind of thing, so it was a waste of money. The rust proofing > (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably worth it, as the rust just started > forming around four years ago, and it only appears on the outside painted > surface of the car body. There is little evidence of rust on the underside > of the car and no perforations. > > I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be > thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all > well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems redundant. > However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is capable of > just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the winter months > it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm lucky, I hope to > keep my new car as long as my last one. > > > > "Ghislain" <ghislaing(a)teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message > news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d(a)teksavvy.com... >> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including >> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low >> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a >> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those >> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all. >> >> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had >> minor rust in some areas. >> "homepc" <wiebe08(a)hotmail.com> a ?crit dans le message de news: >> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804(a)newsfe16.lga... >>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering >>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed >>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust >>> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at >>> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it >>> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery. >>> >>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from >>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car? >>> >> >>
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