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From: Mike Hunter on 16 Mar 2007 14:30
If that were true, as you choose to believe, why does Toyota not have just a
4, rather than a 4 and 5. On the other hand Nissan, who started to assemble
cars and trucks in the US of US parts rather than imported part many years
after Toyota, have a '1' as the first number of the VIN on the Titan and
Altima, and not a 4 or 5 ? ;)

mike


"Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>
.. Originally, the US was
> assigned just '1's. Then they ran out.
> Jeff


From: Ed White on 16 Mar 2007 16:27
On Mar 16, 2:30 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
> If that were true, as you choose to believe, why does Toyota not have just a
> 4, rather than a 4 and 5. On the other hand Nissan, who started to assemble
> cars and trucks in the US of US parts rather than imported part many years
> after Toyota, have a '1' as the first number of the VIN on the Titan and
> Altima, and not a 4 or 5 ? ;)
>
> mike

I have no idea why Toyota has allocated the WMIs the way they have
done it. Can you explain why does Ford uses 1, 4, and 5 in the first
position of the VIN? Why does a Ford Explorer use a 1 as the first
digit and a Mercury Mountaineer use a 4? Why does a Ford Expedition
use a 1 as the first digit and a Lincoln Navigator use a 5? Why does a
Ford Escape use a 1 as the first digit and a Mercury Marier use a 4?
Why do all Mustangs have a 1 as the first digit, when V-6 Automatic
Mustangs don't have enough domestic content to qualify as a domestic
car? Why don't you provide one verifiable reference that confirms your
speculation that the WMI is related to domestic content?

Ed

From: Mike Hunter on 16 Mar 2007 18:37
I notice you did not answer why Nissan has a '1' on their cars and trucks,
yet came to the US long after Toyota, but want me to answer . Those Ford
products that have and '4' and '5' do not have enough US content to warrant
a '1' The interiors, grills, and many other lower volume parts are made in
Canada, for the other versions of the Ford models, and do not count as US
content.

The problem is you are confusing the NAP label with US content. The
Mustangs in total have enough US content to warrant a '1.' The R&D,
engineering, steel, rubber, glass, plastics, electronic etc all originated
in the US, for one. I've told you guys a dozen time to search the US
Commerce Department for the information you seek. That is what I did I after
I contacted some of the people I knew at my former employer and they did not
even know.


mike


"Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 16, 2:30 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
>> If that were true, as you choose to believe, why does Toyota not have
>> just a
>> 4, rather than a 4 and 5. On the other hand Nissan, who started to
>> assemble
>> cars and trucks in the US of US parts rather than imported part many
>> years
>> after Toyota, have a '1' as the first number of the VIN on the Titan and
>> Altima, and not a 4 or 5 ? ;)
>>
>> mike
>
> I have no idea why Toyota has allocated the WMIs the way they have
> done it. Can you explain why does Ford uses 1, 4, and 5 in the first
> position of the VIN?
>
> Ed
>


From: Jeff on 16 Mar 2007 21:29

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> If that were true, as you choose to believe, why does Toyota not have just
> a 4, rather than a 4 and 5. On the other hand Nissan, who started to
> assemble cars and trucks in the US of US parts rather than imported part
> many years after Toyota, have a '1' as the first number of the VIN on the
> Titan and Altima, and not a 4 or 5 ? ;)
>
> mike
>
>
> "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:wphKh.11261$Hb6.861(a)trndny03...
>>
> . Originally, the US was
>> assigned just '1's. Then they ran out.
>> Jeff

Mike, it is a matter of belief.

It is a matter of evidence. And right now, there is a lot of evidence that
contradicts your conjecture and none to support it.

How about supporting it with a URL? You said you have one. So just post it,
and show I am wrong.

Jeff

From: Jeff on 16 Mar 2007 21:42

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
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>I notice you did not answer why Nissan has a '1' on their cars and trucks,
>yet came to the US long after Toyota, but want me to answer . Those Ford
>products that have and '4' and '5' do not have enough US content to
>warrant a '1' The interiors, grills, and many other lower volume parts are
>made in Canada, for the other versions of the Ford models, and do not count
>as US content.
>
> The problem is you are confusing the NAP label with US content. The
> Mustangs in total have enough US content to warrant a '1.' The R&D,
> engineering, steel, rubber, glass, plastics, electronic etc all originated
> in the US, for one. I've told you guys a dozen time to search the US
> Commerce Department for the information you seek. That is what I did I
> after I contacted some of the people I knew at my former employer and they
> did not even know.
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1174076871.216174.284800(a)l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 16, 2:30 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote:
>>> If that were true, as you choose to believe, why does Toyota not have
>>> just a
>>> 4, rather than a 4 and 5. On the other hand Nissan, who started to
>>> assemble
>>> cars and trucks in the US of US parts rather than imported part many
>>> years
>>> after Toyota, have a '1' as the first number of the VIN on the Titan and
>>> Altima, and not a 4 or 5 ? ;)
>>>
>>> mike
>>
>> I have no idea why Toyota has allocated the WMIs the way they have
>> done it. Can you explain why does Ford uses 1, 4, and 5 in the first
>> position of the VIN?
>>
>> Ed

Because the SAE assigned Nissan a '1'. Why don't you ask them? If you search
the SAE site, you can find the names of a few people who are responsible for
the VIN numberings system.

You said that parts made in Canada don't count as US content for the VIN
system. How about proving this? What is the URL of the site that describes
how the 1, 4, and 5 are assigned? How about evidence that is independent of
the VIN system that demonstrates that Ford gets more parts all Mercury SUVs
from Canada, and even more all Lincolns? Notice I said all. All Mercury SUVs
get a '4' and all LIncoln SUVs and Trucks get a '5'.

You said that R&D and engineer count. Were the Navigators engineered in
Canada? How about the R&D? Was that different for the LIncolns than the
Fords? I would think all the R&D was near Canada, just west of Detroit. But
last I checked, Michigan was still part of the US.

You said you contacted a few people you know from your old job, and they did
not know. Aren't they the people who claim told you this nonsense in the
beginning? Aren't they the people you said sent you the URL in the first
place?

So what you're saying is that you have absolutely no proof for this. And
this system is mandated by someone (Commerce Depart?), yet there is no
evidence of this on any newstory, any commerce department website, and no
vehicle manufacturer.

Yet, all the first digits of each vehicle type (car, truck, SUV, truck -
chasis only, etc.) seems to be set for each make? I mean, I haven't seen any
Fords that begin 5F* or 4F*, they all begin 1F*. Wouldn't you think there
was some variation? I mean Ford gets a lot of its parts for its Mustang from
Mexico. And some parts from Canada, most likely. Don't you think at least
some Mustangs or Fusions, Foci, or whatever would get a 4? And don't you
think it is odd that Mercury and Lincoln use enough content to get a 1 for
their cars, but Mercury gets a 4 for their trucks? And Mazda too? And
Lincoln gets a 5? Why do you think that Mercury and Lincoln build their
parts in Canada while Ford doesn't? And do you have any independent evidence
that they do?

Get a clue man.

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