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From: Mike Hunter on 20 Mar 2007 13:14 Don't you ever watch TV or read a newspaper? LOL mike "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:QUFLh.4382$742.3485(a)trndny07... > Why does Toyota no longer say >> 'made in America' but 'assembled in American, of world source parts' ever >> since Honda complained to the FTC about Toyotas deceptive advertising? > > Last time, it was Toyota complaining about Honda's supposedly deceptive > adveritising. But the only thing I found on the FTC site about Honda's (or > Toyota's) claims about being "made in America" being inaccruate involved > lawn mowers. > > Where does Toyota say "assembled in America, of world source parts?" > > Jeff > >> mike >> >> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >> news:1zELh.14884$Jl.10213(a)newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >>> >>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>> news:2MSdnVT3V4R4j2LYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>> >>>>I know the answer and told you to search the FMC site to find which are >>>>1Z, go look, WBMA ;) >>> >>> I had no problem figuring out that 1Z Fords are built at Flat Rock. On >>> the other hand I have never been able to find any evidence to support >>> you claim that the first position of the VIN is related to domestic >>> content. >>> >>>> I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. How can it be "they >>>> were running out of VIN" numbers when VINs change annually? Why are >>>> the Nissan made in the US a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5 if they "ran >>>> out" of '1s' yet Toyota was assembling cars in the US long before >>>> Nissan? >>> >>> I never claimed they were running out of "1s". That was someone else in >>> this thread. At least try to blame the correct person. >>> >>>> Again you are confusing the NAP label with US content. Parts assembled >>>> in Canada do not count as the US content a car line needs to get a '1.' >>>> It is not 75% it only needs to be 70% NAPs label on my 2007 Mustang >>>> listed 80% North American Parts, not 65%, in any event ;) >>> >>> Well I looked at 10 Mustangs on the lot at Crossroad Ford's Wake Forest, >>> NC location and they all claimed 70%. All the Mustangs I checked calime >>> the same domestic contnent (V-6s, V-8's , manuals, automatic). Given >>> your horrible memory, I'll assume you are wrong again. >>> >>>> Ford converted the Rouge plant over to FWD, to build the 500. The >>>> Mustangs, that were formally built there are now built in the >>>> Mazda/Ford Black Rock MI plant. That is where the Probe was built. >>>> The first numbers on the '89 Probe was 4ZVFP(model number). The '07 >>>> Mustang is 1ZVFT(model number). >>> >>> More bad inforamtion. Ford build F150s in Dearborns, not Five Hundreds >>> (see http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=32 ). >>> The Five Hundreds are built at the Chicago plant (see >>> http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=29 ). >>> >>> I am starting to see a trend here.... >>> >>> Ed >>> >>>> mike >>>> >>>> >>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>>> news:nYcLh.11062$PL.10946(a)newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... >>>>> >>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:MtadnWWr8ceaomHYnZ2dnUVZ_silnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>>>>I know! I can't prove it, I didn't bookmark the URL, Search the FMC >>>>>>site, WBMA ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> Well now we are getting somewhere. you don't actually have any proof. >>>>> You just think there is some proof. You think you remember seeing some >>>>> proof, but you can't find it, so you are hoping someone can find it >>>>> for you. >>>>> >>>>> To be considered a domestic vehicle, the vehicle must have 75% >>>>> domestic content. According to the domestic content label, the average >>>>> Mustang only contains 70% domestic content, but it is assembled in the >>>>> USA and gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. Likewise, the >>>>> average 2008 Ford Escape only includes 65% domestic content, yet is >>>>> still gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. How do you explain >>>>> these vehicles that don't seem to fit into your pet theory that the >>>>> VIN indicates domestic content? >>>>> >>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
From: Jeff on 20 Mar 2007 13:38 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:kvadnRG8U_EMi53bnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d(a)ptd.net... > Don't you ever watch TV or read a newspaper? LOL > > mike > > "Jeff" <news(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > news:QUFLh.4382$742.3485(a)trndny07... >> > Why does Toyota no longer say >>> 'made in America' but 'assembled in American, of world source parts' >>> ever since Honda complained to the FTC about Toyotas deceptive >>> advertising? >> >> Last time, it was Toyota complaining about Honda's supposedly deceptive >> adveritising. But the only thing I found on the FTC site about Honda's >> (or Toyota's) claims about being "made in America" being inaccruate >> involved lawn mowers. >> >> Where does Toyota say "assembled in America, of world source parts?" >> >> Jeff >> >>> mike >>> >>> >>> "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>> news:1zELh.14884$Jl.10213(a)newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >>>> >>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2MSdnVT3V4R4j2LYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>> >>>>>I know the answer and told you to search the FMC site to find which are >>>>>1Z, go look, WBMA ;) >>>> >>>> I had no problem figuring out that 1Z Fords are built at Flat Rock. On >>>> the other hand I have never been able to find any evidence to support >>>> you claim that the first position of the VIN is related to domestic >>>> content. >>>> >>>>> I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. How can it be "they >>>>> were running out of VIN" numbers when VINs change annually? Why are >>>>> the Nissan made in the US a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5 if they "ran >>>>> out" of '1s' yet Toyota was assembling cars in the US long before >>>>> Nissan? >>>> >>>> I never claimed they were running out of "1s". That was someone else >>>> in this thread. At least try to blame the correct person. >>>> >>>>> Again you are confusing the NAP label with US content. Parts >>>>> assembled in Canada do not count as the US content a car line needs to >>>>> get a '1.' It is not 75% it only needs to be 70% NAPs label on my >>>>> 2007 Mustang listed 80% North American Parts, not 65%, in any event >>>>> ;) >>>> >>>> Well I looked at 10 Mustangs on the lot at Crossroad Ford's Wake >>>> Forest, NC location and they all claimed 70%. All the Mustangs I >>>> checked calime the same domestic contnent (V-6s, V-8's , manuals, >>>> automatic). Given your horrible memory, I'll assume you are wrong >>>> again. >>>> >>>>> Ford converted the Rouge plant over to FWD, to build the 500. The >>>>> Mustangs, that were formally built there are now built in the >>>>> Mazda/Ford Black Rock MI plant. That is where the Probe was built. >>>>> The first numbers on the '89 Probe was 4ZVFP(model number). The '07 >>>>> Mustang is 1ZVFT(model number). >>>> >>>> More bad inforamtion. Ford build F150s in Dearborns, not Five Hundreds >>>> (see http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=32 ). >>>> The Five Hundreds are built at the Chicago plant (see >>>> http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=29 ). >>>> >>>> I am starting to see a trend here.... >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>>> mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:nYcLh.11062$PL.10946(a)newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:MtadnWWr8ceaomHYnZ2dnUVZ_silnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>>>>>I know! I can't prove it, I didn't bookmark the URL, Search the FMC >>>>>>>site, WBMA ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mike >>>>>> >>>>>> Well now we are getting somewhere. you don't actually have any proof. >>>>>> You just think there is some proof. You think you remember seeing >>>>>> some proof, but you can't find it, so you are hoping someone can find >>>>>> it for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> To be considered a domestic vehicle, the vehicle must have 75% >>>>>> domestic content. According to the domestic content label, the >>>>>> average Mustang only contains 70% domestic content, but it is >>>>>> assembled in the USA and gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. >>>>>> Likewise, the average 2008 Ford Escape only includes 65% domestic >>>>>> content, yet is still gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. How >>>>>> do you explain these vehicles that don't seem to fit into your pet >>>>>> theory that the VIN indicates domestic content? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed I read the New York Times almost every day. I just jump over the ads. However, except for the Simpsons and Seinfeld, and NASCAR, I don't watch much TV. I don't find that many shows to be worth my time. I do assure, however, that my TV viewing has found me to be smarter than a 5th grader. I also listen to All Things Considered and Morning Edition as well as Sound Money and Car Talk. Jeff
From: Jeff on 20 Mar 2007 13:43 "Built_Well" <Built_Well_Toyota(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1174408821.457011.310830(a)y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > Please pardon my identical double posting in this thread. I > actually > posted that last messge about 1 or 2 days ago, using the Tera News > server. > But that news server has not been working right lately. Tera News > posted > that message 2 days after I wrote it. > > Nice, detailed work, Ed. I promise not to get made at you until after I see the first post. Ed did do a great job. I am still waiting for Mike brilliant remarks. Jeff
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