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From: Mike Hunter on 19 Mar 2007 18:46 I know the answer and told you to search the FMC site to find which are 1Z, go look, WBMA ;) I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. How can it be "they were running out of VIN" numbers when VINs change annually? Why are the Nissan made in the US a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5 if they "ran out" of '1s' yet Toyota was assembling cars in the US long before Nissan? Again you are confusing the NAP label with US content. Parts assembled in Canada do not count as the US content a car line needs to get a '1.' It is not 75% it only needs to be 70% NAPs label on my 2007 Mustang listed 80% North American Parts, not 65%, in any event ;) Ford converted the Rouge plant over to FWD, to build the 500. The Mustangs, that were formally built there are now built in the Mazda/Ford Black Rock MI plant. That is where the Probe was built. The first numbers on the '89 Probe was 4ZVFP(model number). The '07 Mustang is 1ZVFT(model number). mike "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:nYcLh.11062$PL.10946(a)newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:MtadnWWr8ceaomHYnZ2dnUVZ_silnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>I know! I can't prove it, I didn't bookmark the URL, Search the FMC >>site, WBMA ;) >> >> >> mike > > Well now we are getting somewhere. you don't actually have any proof. You > just think there is some proof. You think you remember seeing some proof, > but you can't find it, so you are hoping someone can find it for you. > > To be considered a domestic vehicle, the vehicle must have 75% domestic > content. According to the domestic content label, the average Mustang only > contains 70% domestic content, but it is assembled in the USA and gets a > "1" as the first digit of the VIN. Likewise, the average 2008 Ford Escape > only includes 65% domestic content, yet is still gets a "1" as the first > digit of the VIN. How do you explain these vehicles that don't seem to fit > into your pet theory that the VIN indicates domestic content? > > Ed >
From: C. E. White on 19 Mar 2007 18:57 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:2MSdnVT3V4R4j2LYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >I know the answer and told you to search the FMC site to find which are 1Z, >go look, WBMA ;) I had no problem figuring out that 1Z Fords are built at Flat Rock. On the other hand I have never been able to find any evidence to support you claim that the first position of the VIN is related to domestic content. > I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. How can it be "they were > running out of VIN" numbers when VINs change annually? Why are the Nissan > made in the US a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5 if they "ran out" of '1s' > yet Toyota was assembling cars in the US long before Nissan? I never claimed they were running out of "1s". That was someone else in this thread. At least try to blame the correct person. > Again you are confusing the NAP label with US content. Parts assembled in > Canada do not count as the US content a car line needs to get a '1.' It > is not 75% it only needs to be 70% NAPs label on my 2007 Mustang listed > 80% North American Parts, not 65%, in any event ;) Well I looked at 10 Mustangs on the lot at Crossroad Ford's Wake Forest, NC location and they all claimed 70%. All the Mustangs I checked calime the same domestic contnent (V-6s, V-8's , manuals, automatic). Given your horrible memory, I'll assume you are wrong again. > Ford converted the Rouge plant over to FWD, to build the 500. The > Mustangs, that were formally built there are now built in the Mazda/Ford > Black Rock MI plant. That is where the Probe was built. The first > numbers on the '89 Probe was 4ZVFP(model number). The '07 Mustang is > 1ZVFT(model number). More bad inforamtion. Ford build F150s in Dearborns, not Five Hundreds (see http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=32 ). The Five Hundreds are built at the Chicago plant (see http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=29 ). I am starting to see a trend here.... Ed > mike > > > "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:nYcLh.11062$PL.10946(a)newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:MtadnWWr8ceaomHYnZ2dnUVZ_silnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>I know! I can't prove it, I didn't bookmark the URL, Search the FMC >>>site, WBMA ;) >>> >>> >>> mike >> >> Well now we are getting somewhere. you don't actually have any proof. You >> just think there is some proof. You think you remember seeing some proof, >> but you can't find it, so you are hoping someone can find it for you. >> >> To be considered a domestic vehicle, the vehicle must have 75% domestic >> content. According to the domestic content label, the average Mustang >> only contains 70% domestic content, but it is assembled in the USA and >> gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. Likewise, the average 2008 Ford >> Escape only includes 65% domestic content, yet is still gets a "1" as the >> first digit of the VIN. How do you explain these vehicles that don't seem >> to fit into your pet theory that the VIN indicates domestic content? >> >> Ed >> > >
From: Jeff on 19 Mar 2007 19:38 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:2MSdnVT3V4R4j2LYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >I know the answer and told you to search the FMC site to find which are 1Z, >go look, WBMA ;) > > I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. How can it be "they were > running out of VIN" numbers when VINs change annually? Why are the Nissan > made in the US a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5 if they "ran out" of '1s' > yet Toyota was assembling cars in the US long before Nissan? > > Again you are confusing the NAP label with US content. Parts assembled in > Canada do not count as the US content a car line needs to get a '1.' It > is not 75% it only needs to be 70% NAPs label on my 2007 Mustang listed > 80% North American Parts, not 65%, in any event ;) > > Ford converted the Rouge plant over to FWD, to build the 500. The > Mustangs, that were formally built there are now built in the Mazda/Ford > Black Rock MI plant. That is where the Probe was built. The first > numbers on the '89 Probe was 4ZVFP(model number). The '07 Mustang is > 1ZVFT(model number). > > mike > > > "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:nYcLh.11062$PL.10946(a)newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:MtadnWWr8ceaomHYnZ2dnUVZ_silnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>I know! I can't prove it, I didn't bookmark the URL, Search the FMC >>>site, WBMA ;) >>> >>> >>> mike >> >> Well now we are getting somewhere. you don't actually have any proof. You >> just think there is some proof. You think you remember seeing some proof, >> but you can't find it, so you are hoping someone can find it for you. >> >> To be considered a domestic vehicle, the vehicle must have 75% domestic >> content. According to the domestic content label, the average Mustang >> only contains 70% domestic content, but it is assembled in the USA and >> gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. Likewise, the average 2008 Ford >> Escape only includes 65% domestic content, yet is still gets a "1" as the >> first digit of the VIN. How do you explain these vehicles that don't seem >> to fit into your pet theory that the VIN indicates domestic content? >> >> Ed They have limited number of WMIs, which never change. The WMIs from AMC, Oldsmobile, Divco trucks, American LaFrance fire trucks, Plymouth, etc., have not been recycled. The WMIs are the first three characters of the VIN. Jeff
From: Mike Hunter on 19 Mar 2007 19:49 I told you to search the FMC site to find the 1Zs. I also told you to search the US Department of Commerce site to find the reason three different digits are assigned to vehicles assemble in the US and not just one digit for those assembled outside the US. Hint; the USDC has no reason to know what the content is of a vehicle made in other countries. You are correct, although the Mustang was moved from Rouge, it was replaced by trucks.. I proves on can not believe everything they read in a newspaper. When I first read Ford was moving the Mustang to Flat Rock to build the 500, I thought it strange Ford would spend the bucks in 2004 to convert it to FWD assemble. Looks like the WSG can be as inaccurate as the Times ;) However the questions remains to be answered, why are the Nissans and Hondas that are actually made in the US of at least 70% US content, exhibiting a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5? Toyota was assembling cars in the US long before Honda and Nissan. Why does Toyota no longer say 'made in America' but 'assembled in American, of world source parts' ever since Honda complained to the FTC about Toyotas deceptive advertising? mike "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:1zELh.14884$Jl.10213(a)newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:2MSdnVT3V4R4j2LYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)ptd.net... > >>I know the answer and told you to search the FMC site to find which are >>1Z, go look, WBMA ;) > > I had no problem figuring out that 1Z Fords are built at Flat Rock. On the > other hand I have never been able to find any evidence to support you > claim that the first position of the VIN is related to domestic content. > >> I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. How can it be "they >> were running out of VIN" numbers when VINs change annually? Why are the >> Nissan made in the US a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5 if they "ran out" >> of '1s' yet Toyota was assembling cars in the US long before Nissan? > > I never claimed they were running out of "1s". That was someone else in > this thread. At least try to blame the correct person. > >> Again you are confusing the NAP label with US content. Parts assembled >> in Canada do not count as the US content a car line needs to get a '1.' >> It is not 75% it only needs to be 70% NAPs label on my 2007 Mustang >> listed 80% North American Parts, not 65%, in any event ;) > > Well I looked at 10 Mustangs on the lot at Crossroad Ford's Wake Forest, > NC location and they all claimed 70%. All the Mustangs I checked calime > the same domestic contnent (V-6s, V-8's , manuals, automatic). Given your > horrible memory, I'll assume you are wrong again. > >> Ford converted the Rouge plant over to FWD, to build the 500. The >> Mustangs, that were formally built there are now built in the Mazda/Ford >> Black Rock MI plant. That is where the Probe was built. The first >> numbers on the '89 Probe was 4ZVFP(model number). The '07 Mustang is >> 1ZVFT(model number). > > More bad inforamtion. Ford build F150s in Dearborns, not Five Hundreds > (see http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=32 ). The > Five Hundreds are built at the Chicago plant (see > http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=29 ). > > I am starting to see a trend here.... > > Ed > >> mike >> >> >> "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >> news:nYcLh.11062$PL.10946(a)newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... >>> >>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>> news:MtadnWWr8ceaomHYnZ2dnUVZ_silnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>>I know! I can't prove it, I didn't bookmark the URL, Search the FMC >>>>site, WBMA ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> mike >>> >>> Well now we are getting somewhere. you don't actually have any proof. >>> You just think there is some proof. You think you remember seeing some >>> proof, but you can't find it, so you are hoping someone can find it for >>> you. >>> >>> To be considered a domestic vehicle, the vehicle must have 75% domestic >>> content. According to the domestic content label, the average Mustang >>> only contains 70% domestic content, but it is assembled in the USA and >>> gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. Likewise, the average 2008 >>> Ford Escape only includes 65% domestic content, yet is still gets a "1" >>> as the first digit of the VIN. How do you explain these vehicles that >>> don't seem to fit into your pet theory that the VIN indicates domestic >>> content? >>> >>> Ed >>> >> >> > >
From: Jeff on 19 Mar 2007 20:28
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:CK-dnaUOMuFNvGLYnZ2dnUVZ_oOknZ2d(a)ptd.net... > > I told you to search the FMC site to find the 1Zs. I also told you to > search the US Department of Commerce site to find the reason three > different digits are assigned to vehicles assemble in the US and not just > one digit for those assembled outside the US. Hint; the USDC has no > reason to know what the content is of a vehicle made in other countries. I've search the USDC site. Didn't find it. You made the claim. You back it up, if you can. > You are correct, although the Mustang was moved from Rouge, it was > replaced by trucks.. I proves on can not believe everything they read in a > newspaper. When I first read Ford was moving the Mustang to Flat Rock to > build the 500, I thought it strange Ford would spend the bucks in 2004 to > convert it to FWD assemble. Looks like the WSG can be as inaccurate as > the Times ;) > > However the questions remains to be answered, why are the Nissans and > Hondas that are actually made in the US of at least 70% US content, > exhibiting a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5? Toyota was assembling cars > in the US long before Honda and Nissan. Why does Toyota no longer say > 'made in America' but 'assembled in American, of world source parts' ever > since Honda complained to the FTC about Toyotas deceptive advertising? Last time, it was Toyota complaining about Honda's supposedly deceptive adveritising. But the only thing I found on the FTC site about Honda's (or Toyota's) claims about being "made in America" being inaccruate involved lawn mowers. Where does Toyota say "assembled in America, of world source parts?" Jeff > mike > > > "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:1zELh.14884$Jl.10213(a)newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> >> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >> news:2MSdnVT3V4R4j2LYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >> >>>I know the answer and told you to search the FMC site to find which are >>>1Z, go look, WBMA ;) >> >> I had no problem figuring out that 1Z Fords are built at Flat Rock. On >> the other hand I have never been able to find any evidence to support you >> claim that the first position of the VIN is related to domestic content. >> >>> I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. How can it be "they >>> were running out of VIN" numbers when VINs change annually? Why are the >>> Nissan made in the US a '1' and the Toyotas a 4 and 5 if they "ran out" >>> of '1s' yet Toyota was assembling cars in the US long before Nissan? >> >> I never claimed they were running out of "1s". That was someone else in >> this thread. At least try to blame the correct person. >> >>> Again you are confusing the NAP label with US content. Parts assembled >>> in Canada do not count as the US content a car line needs to get a '1.' >>> It is not 75% it only needs to be 70% NAPs label on my 2007 Mustang >>> listed 80% North American Parts, not 65%, in any event ;) >> >> Well I looked at 10 Mustangs on the lot at Crossroad Ford's Wake Forest, >> NC location and they all claimed 70%. All the Mustangs I checked calime >> the same domestic contnent (V-6s, V-8's , manuals, automatic). Given your >> horrible memory, I'll assume you are wrong again. >> >>> Ford converted the Rouge plant over to FWD, to build the 500. The >>> Mustangs, that were formally built there are now built in the Mazda/Ford >>> Black Rock MI plant. That is where the Probe was built. The first >>> numbers on the '89 Probe was 4ZVFP(model number). The '07 Mustang is >>> 1ZVFT(model number). >> >> More bad inforamtion. Ford build F150s in Dearborns, not Five Hundreds >> (see http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=32 ). >> The Five Hundreds are built at the Chicago plant (see >> http://media.ford.com/facilities/plant_display.cfm?plant_id=29 ). >> >> I am starting to see a trend here.... >> >> Ed >> >>> mike >>> >>> >>> "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>> news:nYcLh.11062$PL.10946(a)newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... >>>> >>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message >>>> news:MtadnWWr8ceaomHYnZ2dnUVZ_silnZ2d(a)ptd.net... >>>>>I know! I can't prove it, I didn't bookmark the URL, Search the FMC >>>>>site, WBMA ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> mike >>>> >>>> Well now we are getting somewhere. you don't actually have any proof. >>>> You just think there is some proof. You think you remember seeing some >>>> proof, but you can't find it, so you are hoping someone can find it for >>>> you. >>>> >>>> To be considered a domestic vehicle, the vehicle must have 75% domestic >>>> content. According to the domestic content label, the average Mustang >>>> only contains 70% domestic content, but it is assembled in the USA and >>>> gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. Likewise, the average 2008 >>>> Ford Escape only includes 65% domestic content, yet is still gets a "1" >>>> as the first digit of the VIN. How do you explain these vehicles that >>>> don't seem to fit into your pet theory that the VIN indicates domestic >>>> content? >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |