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From: Neil - Usenet on 7 Aug 2007 13:40

"ChrisCoaster" <ckozicki(a)snet.net> wrote in message
news:1186504918.992139.150390(a)o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 6, 11:32 pm, condor_...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
>> Dear Experts,
>>
>> I have a 97 Camry XLE that I bought in 2000.
>>
>> Unbeknownced to me (and the I believe also the dealer),
>> the car had been in an accident.
>>
>> There had been a collision with the right front fender.
>> The Right front, passenger fender had been changed.
>>
>> The car kept pulling to one side.
>>
>> The Tires and passenger Lower Control Arm were changed.
>> The steering was much better. But not perfect.
>>
>> To keep the car straight, I still have to turn the
>> steering wheel slightly to the right.
>>
>> Since then, the right front wheel bearing has also been changed.
>> There was some play, and the tires became scalloped on
>> the edges. The tires made strange noises.
>>
>> Here are the stats from the wheel alignment the last time I
>> bought tires. NOte the Caster on the right front. Just within
>> spec.
>>
>> Actual Before Specified Range
>>
>> Front Right
>>
>> Camber: -1.3 -1.4 -1.4 to 0.1
>> Caster 1.4 1.4 1.4 to 2.9
>> Toe -0.02 0.04 -0.10 to 0.10
>> SAI 13.9 14.0 12.3 to 13.8
>> Included angle 12.7 12.7 11.0 to 14.0
>> Turning Angle Diff -- -- ---
>>
>> Front Left
>>
>> Camber: -1.0 -1.1 -1.4 to 0.1
>> Caster 2.5 2.5 1.4 to 2.9
>> Toe -0.06 -0.13 -0.10 to 0.10
>> SAI 14.2 14.4 12.3 to 13.8
>> Included angle 13.3 13.3 11.0 to 14.0
>> Turning Angle Diff -- -- ---
>>
>> I'm wondering if the right front strut might also have been
>> bent in the accident. And if this could explain the
>> pull to the left (requiring steering to the right).
>> Does this make sense?
>>
>> If not, does anyone else have any other explanations for
>> the pull to the left?
>>
>> Thanks a lot
> _______________________________
> Most of the suggestions here are on point(equal tire pressure all
> around - make sure it's Toyota's recommended pressures NOT the number
> on the tire, etc).
>
> As for your specs above, your front left & right caster specs are a
> degree off - that will translate to a pull in the direction of least
> caster(btw you need to tell us is that caster negative or positive?)
>
> Your camber(leaning effect of tire) is less negative on the front left
> - it will pull to the least negative side, hence to your left.
>
> Post alignment figures can be within spec but the car can still pull
> to one side, for reason#1 - bent parts, reason #2, figures for left
> and right are more than 1/2 degree different - resulting in pull, or
> reason#3 - car manufacturer over-over-compensates for road crown in
> designing the suspension, so no amount of adjustment can cure it!
>
> **Bring a printout of my suggestion to the shop - if they are a good
> shop they will already know this and adjust accordingly**.
>
> I keep a pound less air in my right-hand tires because although my
> align. specs are less than 1/2 degree left-right the car insists on
> pulling left. It's a 2005 Malibu - no accidents, no hard hits, etc.
> Go figyuh...
>
> regards,
>
> ChrisCoaster
>
>

I find that too in your last, in my 2 cars, 88 polo/54c2. but it stops when
i overtake.
I think is just the camber on the road for drains etc.


From: ChrisCoaster on 7 Aug 2007 13:48
On Aug 7, 12:40 pm, "Neil - Usenet" <usen...(a)SPAMblueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
> "ChrisCoaster" <ckozi...(a)snet.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1186504918.992139.150390(a)o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 6, 11:32 pm, condor_...(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Dear Experts,
>
> >> I have a 97 Camry XLE that I bought in 2000.
>
> >> Unbeknownced to me (and the I believe also the dealer),
> >> the car had been in an accident.
>
> >> There had been a collision with the right front fender.
> >> The Right front, passenger fender had been changed.
>
> >> The car kept pulling to one side.
>
> >> The Tires and passenger Lower Control Arm were changed.
> >> The steering was much better. But not perfect.
>
> >> To keep the car straight, I still have to turn the
> >> steering wheel slightly to the right.
>
> >> Since then, the right front wheel bearing has also been changed.
> >> There was some play, and the tires became scalloped on
> >> the edges. The tires made strange noises.
>
> >> Here are the stats from the wheel alignment the last time I
> >> bought tires. NOte the Caster on the right front. Just within
> >> spec.
>
> >> Actual Before Specified Range
>
> >> Front Right
>
> >> Camber: -1.3 -1.4 -1.4 to 0.1
> >> Caster 1.4 1.4 1.4 to 2.9
> >> Toe -0.02 0.04 -0.10 to 0.10
> >> SAI 13.9 14.0 12.3 to 13.8
> >> Included angle 12.7 12.7 11.0 to 14.0
> >> Turning Angle Diff -- -- ---
>
> >> Front Left
>
> >> Camber: -1.0 -1.1 -1.4 to 0.1
> >> Caster 2.5 2.5 1.4 to 2.9
> >> Toe -0.06 -0.13 -0.10 to 0.10
> >> SAI 14.2 14.4 12.3 to 13.8
> >> Included angle 13.3 13.3 11.0 to 14.0
> >> Turning Angle Diff -- -- ---
>
> >> I'm wondering if the right front strut might also have been
> >> bent in the accident. And if this could explain the
> >> pull to the left (requiring steering to the right).
> >> Does this make sense?
>
> >> If not, does anyone else have any other explanations for
> >> the pull to the left?
>
> >> Thanks a lot
> > _______________________________
> > Most of the suggestions here are on point(equal tire pressure all
> > around - make sure it's Toyota's recommended pressures NOT the number
> > on the tire, etc).
>
> > As for your specs above, your front left & right caster specs are a
> > degree off - that will translate to a pull in the direction of least
> > caster(btw you need to tell us is that caster negative or positive?)
>
> > Your camber(leaning effect of tire) is less negative on the front left
> > - it will pull to the least negative side, hence to your left.
>
> > Post alignment figures can be within spec but the car can still pull
> > to one side, for reason#1 - bent parts, reason #2, figures for left
> > and right are more than 1/2 degree different - resulting in pull, or
> > reason#3 - car manufacturer over-over-compensates for road crown in
> > designing the suspension, so no amount of adjustment can cure it!
>
> > **Bring a printout of my suggestion to the shop - if they are a good
> > shop they will already know this and adjust accordingly**.
>
> > I keep a pound less air in my right-hand tires because although my
> > align. specs are less than 1/2 degree left-right the car insists on
> > pulling left. It's a 2005 Malibu - no accidents, no hard hits, etc.
> > Go figyuh...
>
> > regards,
>
> > ChrisCoaster
>
> I find that too in your last, in my 2 cars, 88 polo/54c2. but it stops when
> i overtake.
> I think is just the camber on the road for drains etc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
______________
Well like I said, the roads here up in CT have almost no camber/crown
unless you kneel down to the sidewalk and gaze across the street.
Down the Jersey shore - now that's a different story!

I'm not talking torque-steer here, just ordinary coasting and keeping
speed. I hate having to force the steering wheel to one or two
o'clock just to go straight.

-CC

From: * on 7 Aug 2007 17:01


Scott Dorsey <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in article
<f9a3g3$n1u$1(a)panix2.panix.com>...
> adder1969 <adder1969(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >I'm lead to believe that *technically* some "states" in The States
> >aren't states at all but are territories therefore there are fewer
> >actual states than most people think. This won't help the car of
> >course.
>
> No, territories aren't counted in with the fifty states. However,
> the Commonwealth of Virginia and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts are.
> --scott
>


Ya missed one "Commonwealth"

Do you know which one?



> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>
From: JJ on 7 Aug 2007 18:10
Commonwealth of Kentucky



"*" <nospam(a)this.addy.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Scott Dorsey <kludge(a)panix.com> wrote in article
> <f9a3g3$n1u$1(a)panix2.panix.com>...
> > adder1969 <adder1969(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >I'm lead to believe that *technically* some "states" in The States
> > >aren't states at all but are territories therefore there are fewer
> > >actual states than most people think. This won't help the car of
> > >course.
> >
> > No, territories aren't counted in with the fifty states. However,
> > the Commonwealth of Virginia and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts are.
> > --scott
> >
>
>
> Ya missed one "Commonwealth"
>
> Do you know which one?
>
>
>
> > --
> > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
> >


From: ChrisCoaster on 7 Aug 2007 18:48
On Aug 7, 5:17 pm, Tunku <stuartggray-nos...(a)dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> condor_...(a)yahoo.com wrote in news:1186461167.356787.62360
> @l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
> > To keep the car straight, I still have to turn the
> > steering wheel slightly to the right.
>
> Swap the front wheels with the back ones and see if that makes a
> difference. The other thing to look out for is the bushes in the front
> strut. If they are worn the strut can swivel a bit, putting out the
> tracking.
>
> --
> Tunku
>
> "Caution : traces of irony and other metallic objects may be present in the
> above post"

You mean swap the front wheels left to right. - swapping them front to
back won't accomplish anything.

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