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From: Mister B on 26 Jan 2010 18:51
Just saw on TV and now on the web ... Toyota has ordered dealers to
temporarily stop selling 8 models involved in the sticky accelerator
problem until a fix is found. That's amazing ... and comes on the heels
of recent major recalls for the same accelerator issues. Is this going
to tarnish Toyota's reputation in a major way? Will it hurt resale
values? What about long term consequences?

Meanwhile, Ford is looking mighty good ... with excellent consumer
reviews, decent sales and a worker recall!

The times ... they are a changing, atleast in the auto industry! Mr B

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 26 Jan 2010 15:02
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:51:08 -0600, Mister B wrote:

> Just saw on TV and now on the web ... Toyota has ordered dealers to
> temporarily stop selling 8 models involved in the sticky accelerator
> problem until a fix is found. That's amazing ... and comes on the heels
> of recent major recalls for the same accelerator issues. Is this going to
> tarnish Toyota's reputation in a major way? Will it hurt resale values?
> What about long term consequences?
>
> Meanwhile, Ford is looking mighty good ... with excellent consumer
> reviews, decent sales and a worker recall!
>
> The times ... they are a changing, atleast in the auto industry! Mr B


America lost it's superiority in carbuilding in the 70's. The Japanese
were not praticularly known for making fantastic cars (Google "Toyopet")
but the 70's and 80's saw them surpass some mighty weak showings from
Detriot.

Couple a simplistic approach to building cars with buyer's demands for
more bells and whistles and there's bound to be some teething problems.

However, mid last year the Toyoda family asked the president of Toyota
Motor to step down (wonder if he went home and got out his mat and his
sword?) and a family member stepped in to try to return the company's
notable quality.

Like a tanker at sea, it takes a lot to turn a company as large as Toyota
around, but I'm betting they will accomplish it.


From: SMS on 26 Jan 2010 21:47
Mister B wrote:
> Just saw on TV and now on the web ... Toyota has ordered dealers to
> temporarily stop selling 8 models involved in the sticky accelerator
> problem until a fix is found. That's amazing ... and comes on the heels
> of recent major recalls for the same accelerator issues. Is this going
> to tarnish Toyota's reputation in a major way? Will it hurt resale
> values? What about long term consequences?

In general, when a company does a recall because of a specific problem
that they've found, they look _good_ not bad. The Japanese run companies
seem to always be pro-active when they find a safety concern and you
don't see them fighting with the government over it. Remember the Ford
Pinto and the Chevy and GM truck gas tank issues. The companies fought
like crazy to not fix the problem and it greatly hurt their reputations.

Toyota will come out of this looking good for doing a recall on their
own rather than being forced into it.

Most vehicle owners regardless of the brand, are pretty reasonable
people. If a problem is discovered, and the manufacturer fixes it, then
they're not going to hold a grudge, they're going to be pleased that the
problem was corrected without a hassle.
From: ron on 27 Jan 2010 12:02
I wonder if Government Motors or even Ford would stop selling all vehicles
with problems until they had a fix? (can you say Pinto or Corvair?)

From: Ray O on 27 Jan 2010 12:35

"dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:zaCdnZeRyYG6i_3WnZ2dnUVZ_oRi4p2d(a)giganews.com...
> In article <hjonrt$ptc$1(a)news.albasani.net>,
> Conscience <nobama@g�v.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-01-26 19:30:44 -0800, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
>> <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> said:
>>
>> > In article <hjo5pb$e6$1(a)news.albasani.net>, Conscience <nobama@g?.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2010-01-26 12:02:37 -0800, Hachiroku �f��f��f��,� <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
>> >> said:
>> >>
>> >>> Like a tanker at sea, it takes a lot to turn a company as large as
>> >>> Toyota
>> >>> around, but I'm betting they will accomplish it.
>> >>
>> >> If Ford can, so can Toyota.
>> >>
>> >> Still loving my '09 Ranger XLT, with zero defects or problems.
>> >
>> > My God, I sure as hell HOPE that a one year old car doesn't have any
>> > problems!
>> >
>> > Seriously--if that kind of thing is so noteworthy that you have to tell
>> > people that, you had low expectations going into it.
>>
>> I did have some low expectations, it being the first American-made
>> vehicle I've purchased in seventeen years.
>>
>> But I had more trouble with my last truck, a 2004 Tacoma, in the first
>> three months of ownership than any previously owned vehicle.
>>
>> It started with the bed mounted off-center, then went on to a bumper
>> replacement due to it being dented prior to being installed. Later, a
>> wheel bearing, the air conditioning dashboard fan, and windshield
>> noises from rubbing against the windshield. All of this took place in
>> less than eighteen months.
>>
>> I always wondered if that truck was finished at 5:00 pm on a Friday.
>
> Maybe union planted workers trying to get a union started by sabotaging
> the vehicles then claiming quality would go up if it were a union shop.
> --
>

I believe that 2004 Tacomas sold in the U.S. were assembled by NUMMI, which
was a union plant.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


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