Best no BS motor oil/filter comparison?
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From: SMS on 24 Nov 2008 11:41 Tegger wrote: > SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in > news:jvAWk.4957$8_3.1569(a)flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com: > >> Tegger wrote: >> >>> Those sites that pull filters apart to see what they look like inside >>> tell you absolutely nothing useful at all. >> You're wrong. Those cut-apart evaluations tell you a couple of things. >> >> 1. They tell you which filters to absolutely avoid due to >> exceptionally poor construction. > > > > Exceptionally poor /looking/ consruction you mean, not exceptionally poor > /functioning/ construction. > > Until those beauty-contest sites perform some kind of /function/ tests, > they tell you absolutely nothing except the non-news that ugly girls don't > win beauty contests. > > > >> 2. They show the amount of filtering area, which can vary widely. > > > > But they can't tell you how /good/ that filter medium is, which is the > critical point. > > Thank goodness you snipped the third reason which proved you wrong yet again!
From: ransley on 24 Nov 2008 11:42 On Nov 24, 1:02 am, HiC <brasspl...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I see opinions of the "I swear by" type all over the map. Anyone know > of a good site that shows the truth about which brand/type of oil & > filter performs the best? Thinking in the passenger car realm. > > Thanks There is a site somewhere I visited that tested all filters. Alot depends on driving style, if normal not racing the car manufacturers is always safe. On oil Mobil 1 is as good as it gets, for racing maybe Royal Purple. Most any name brand is fine and much improved over the last 30 years.
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 24 Nov 2008 11:46 Mark A wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > news:492ac4a9$1(a)kcnews01... >> Maybe, maybe not. Honda has sold Fram filters in the past labeled as Honda >> filters. Fram is not my favorite choice even if it says Honda on the >> outside. > > Fram makes a wide variety of oil filters, some sold under their own brand, > and some sold under other brands. > > Most people agree that the lowest price Fram filter (About $2.50 at discount > stores) is of questionable quality, but the one that sells for about $11.00 > is quite good. It is unwise to lump all Fram filters into the same category. > > Since there is no window into the side of the can, I avoid Fram period. The filters I use are made by Donaldson and AFAIK nothing they make is of questionable quality. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 24 Nov 2008 11:57 SMS wrote: > Tegger wrote: > >> Those sites that pull filters apart to see what they look like inside >> tell you absolutely nothing useful at all. > > You're wrong. Those cut-apart evaluations tell you a couple of things. > > 1. They tell you which filters to absolutely avoid due to exceptionally > poor construction. > > 2. They show the amount of filtering area, which can vary widely. > > 3. At "http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/index.html" he > tests the anti-drainback valves for leakage. > > For instance he looks at detail in one filter I use, the one for a lot > of Toyota and Lexus V6 engines, the Toyota 90915 and its after-market > variants. The Toyota brand filter had the largest filtering area, and > the anti-drainback valve, while plastic, did not leak. The Toyota filter > had about 60% more filter area than the Fram, and the Fram > anti-drainback valve leaked. > > He doesn't test the jobber filters used by a lot of oil change > franchises, which cost them $1-1.50 each. I know someone that owns a > franchise that does a lot of oil changes, and he keeps Toyota and Honda > OEM filters for his family, and his good customers. > > The Toyota filters sell for $4-5 on sale at the dealer. They'res just no > reason to use anything but the Toyota OEM filter, it's not worth the risk. >> 1) Use the correct OEM oil filter sold by your automaker's local dealer. >> 2) Use a major brand-name oil that displays the API starburst. > > This is true. Of course there are no major brand oils that don't have > the API Starburst. There are some synthetics that can't meet the API > requirements, such as some of the Amsoil products that have too much > ZDDP, and that could damage your catalytic converter over time, though > of course Amsoil says that this won't happen. Amsoil meets or surpasses API specs, yes, according to them and one type is API certified. There is a difference between can not and refusing to provide some proprietary information. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972
From: "WindsorFox [SS]>" on 24 Nov 2008 12:04
ransley wrote: > On Nov 24, 1:02 am, HiC <brasspl...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> I see opinions of the "I swear by" type all over the map. Anyone know >> of a good site that shows the truth about which brand/type of oil & >> filter performs the best? Thinking in the passenger car realm. >> >> Thanks > > There is a site somewhere I visited that tested all filters. Alot > depends on driving style, if normal not racing the car manufacturers > is always safe. On oil Mobil 1 is as good as it gets, for racing maybe > Royal Purple. Most any name brand is fine and much improved over the > last 30 years. This is what the OP is trying to avoid. Provide proof saying Mobil 1 is the best oil you can buy, some sort of test showing that. Good luck with that. -- "Boy, I've spent my adult life dealing with people like you. There are few things that intimidate me; and a post-adolescent, semi-literate cretin ain't one of them." - LSP972 |