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From: Tegger on 24 Nov 2008 09:23 HiC <brassplyer(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:8455880c-4d03-4ce4-a7eb- 59162df7508a(a)w34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > I see opinions of the "I swear by" type all over the map. Anyone know > of a good site that shows the truth about which brand/type of oil & > filter performs the best? Thinking in the passenger car realm. > > There isn't any. Not such that I've ever been able to find online, anyway. Those sites that pull filters apart to see what they look like inside tell you absolutely nothing useful at all. The safest things you can do: 1) Use the correct OEM oil filter sold by your automaker's local dealer. 2) Use a major brand-name oil that displays the API starburst. -- Tegger
From: C. E. White on 24 Nov 2008 10:13 "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9B605F2BF279Btegger(a)208.90.168.18... > HiC <brassplyer(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:8455880c-4d03-4ce4-a7eb- > 59162df7508a(a)w34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > >> I see opinions of the "I swear by" type all over the map. Anyone >> know >> of a good site that shows the truth about which brand/type of oil & >> filter performs the best? Thinking in the passenger car realm. >> >> > > > There isn't any. Not such that I've ever been able to find online, > anyway. > > Those sites that pull filters apart to see what they look like > inside tell > you absolutely nothing useful at all. I have cut open of bunch of filters open myself (mostly FL820S Competitors and a few Toyota and Nissan filters).I did learn useful information. There are some things you can tell just by looking and measuring - type of anti-drain back valve, type of relief valve, total amount of filter material, general type of filter material, general quality of construction. And some things you cannot tell by just looking - filtering efficiency (some manufacturers provide this), actual filter capacity, flow rate, relief valve release point, burst strength of the filter can. I would contend that if you cut open a filter and see a hard rubber relief valve, a sparse amount of filter material, sloppy internal construction, and a crummy looking relief valve, you might decide that filter was not a good choice. > The safest things you can do: > 1) Use the correct OEM oil filter sold by your automaker's local > dealer. Maybe, maybe not. Honda has sold Fram filters in the past labeled as Honda filters. Fram is not my favorite choice even if it says Honda on the outside. Toyota dealers routinely sell replacement filters that are radically different that the OE filters originally supplied on some engines. I like the OE Toyota filters and go out of my way to buy those (they cost more and dealers often don't stock them). Ford has at times sold different Motorcraft replacement filters than the OE filters originally on the engine (similar, but clearly different). Some aftermarket filters appear to be significantly better made than some OE filters. > 2) Use a major brand-name oil that displays the API starburst. You need to make sure the oil is the correct viscosity, grade, and meets all the OE manufacturer's specs. For most US and Japanese vehicles, the API service class (SL, SM, etc) can usually be depended on to indicate the oil meet the vehicle manufacturer's warranty requirements. For some European vehicles, this is not necessarily true. It is always best to make sure the oil you are buying specifically says it meets the vehicle manufacturer's specifications for your vehicle. For both the Fords and Toyota's that I service that specify 5W30, 5W20, or 0W20 oil, I always look to make sure they explicitly say they meet Ford's oil spec. Ford's specs were actually more robust than the API service category for 5W20 oils when Ford first started specifying the 5W20 oils. Ed
From: Mark A on 24 Nov 2008 10:29 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message news:492ac4a9$1(a)kcnews01... > Maybe, maybe not. Honda has sold Fram filters in the past labeled as Honda > filters. Fram is not my favorite choice even if it says Honda on the > outside. Fram makes a wide variety of oil filters, some sold under their own brand, and some sold under other brands. Most people agree that the lowest price Fram filter (About $2.50 at discount stores) is of questionable quality, but the one that sells for about $11.00 is quite good. It is unwise to lump all Fram filters into the same category.
From: C. E. White on 24 Nov 2008 10:42 "Mark A" <someone(a)someone.com> wrote in message news:XDzWk.91778$XB4.1381(a)bignews9.bellsouth.net... > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)removemindspring.com> wrote in message > news:492ac4a9$1(a)kcnews01... >> Maybe, maybe not. Honda has sold Fram filters in the past labeled >> as Honda filters. Fram is not my favorite choice even if it says >> Honda on the outside. > > Fram makes a wide variety of oil filters, some sold under their own > brand, and some sold under other brands. > > Most people agree that the lowest price Fram filter (About $2.50 at > discount stores) is of questionable quality, but the one that sells > for about $11.00 is quite good. It is unwise to lump all Fram > filters into the same category. I am mainly interested in filters for the vehicles I own or regularly service - Fords, Toyotas, a Nissan, and a Mazda. For the Fords, from what I have seen, the $3.28 Motorcraft FL820S Filter is better than the best Fram equivalent, the TG2, which cost $6.15 the last time I bought one. The TG2 is only marginally better than the lower priced, but used by the same applications, Fram PH2 ($3.77) yet cost 40% more. Now maybe for some other applications, the Fram filters are not so obviously inferior. But for the applications I care about, Fram filters are not my choice. Ed
From: Scott Dorsey on 24 Nov 2008 11:16
Mark A <someone(a)someone.com> wrote: >Fram makes a wide variety of oil filters, some sold under their own brand, >and some sold under other brands. > >Most people agree that the lowest price Fram filter (About $2.50 at discount >stores) is of questionable quality, but the one that sells for about $11.00 >is quite good. It is unwise to lump all Fram filters into the same category. The problem is that you have to, unless you can tell WHICH one you are getting. If you don't have proof of what grade you have, you must assume it is the lowest possible. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |