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From: tak on 19 Oct 2009 17:40 "ron" <randus3(a)teranews.com> wrote in message news:lC4Dm.32228$4E.22859(a)newsfe08.iad... > Sorry 86, but OSS was the fore runner of the CIA OSS was Alan Dulles's > turf - I believe he was later also first CIA director. > > I imagine CIA was created in about 46. Google it as I ain't sure. > > (No I was attached to NSA while in the army, not CIA) > > Ron in Idaho OSS--William (Wild Bill) Donovan IIRC although Dulles was an operative but not Director of the CIA until the 50's
From: Jeff Strickland on 19 Oct 2009 17:46 According to Wikipedia, the CIA was formed as a result of the 1947 National Security Act. It was derived from the former OSS. So, Beck's guest was half right. The CIA proper did not come about until '47, but the services it rendered came earlier. The OSS's duties included merging the intellegence data from the Army and Navy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2009.10.19.19.51.46.362585(a)e86.GTS... > Someone Beck had on (I think) Friday said the "CIA was created after > WWII..." to spy on countries and overthrow unfriendly governments > (paraphrase on the second half...). > > *WRONG*!!!!!!!! > > The CIA was created very shortly following the aftermath of the attack on > Pearl Harbor. > > During the investigation, it was discovered the Army had certain > information, and the Navy had certain information, and that if that > information had been combined, correlated and analyzed, the Navy would > have known of the attack about a month before it happened. One high > ranking officer had even estimated the attack for the last Sunday in > November, one week before the actual attack. > > The CIA was created as a clearing house for such information so as to > ensure such an attack didn't happen again, and to correlate information > between branches of the Armed Forces and other government agencies. > > so there. > >
From: ron on 19 Oct 2009 17:47 Hi Mike SAS was/is a British group (Special Air Service - I think) an extremely competent group for action - probably closest we have are the SEALS and DELTA force I believe the air force and Marines have a similar unit - I don't think our groups are made up quite the same as the SAS though. Ron
From: ron on 19 Oct 2009 18:02 you are certainly right tak, Donovan was the boss - dulles was in Switzerland I believe. And I read a bit more on it and dulles wasn't the first director either, a navy admiral was. interesting to go over some of this, Hach had some groups right too. Ron
From: Mike Hunter on 19 Oct 2009 18:12 Now the only people we have to protects us today are the Environuts running the EPA. ;) "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2009.10.19.20.35.50.104531(a)e86.GTS... > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:10:52 -0700, ron wrote: > >> Sorry 86, but OSS was the fore runner of the CIA OSS was Alan Dulles's >> turf - I believe he was later also first CIA director. >> >> I imagine CIA was created in about 46. Google it as I ain't sure. >> >> (No I was attached to NSA while in the army, not CIA) >> >> Ron in Idaho > > One thing I'm not often wrong on, Ron, is things concerning Pearl Harbor! > (So why do I have a yard full of Japanese cars?) > > The Office of Strategic Services was established by a Presidential > military order issued by President Roosevelt on 13 June 1942, to collect > and analyze strategic information required by the Joint Chiefs of Staff > and to conduct special operations not assigned to other agencies. During > the War, the OSS supplied policy makers with facts and estimates, but the > OSS never had jurisdiction over all foreign intelligence activities. The > FBI was responsible for intelligence work in Latin America, and the Army > and Navy guarded their areas of responsibility. > > >
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