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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 6 Jan 2010 14:06 180,000,000 people in the US will be effected by arctic air this week, with much lower than usual temperatures. Oh, wait. I forgot what Clinton said: "And you need to realize, some areas will be getting colder." Um, FLORIDA?!?!?!?! More K00l-Aid, anyone?
From: Jeff on 6 Jan 2010 20:01 On Jan 6, 2:06 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > 180,000,000 people in the US will be effected by arctic air this week, > with much lower than usual temperatures. > > Oh, wait. I forgot what Clinton said: "And you need to realize, some > areas will be getting colder." > > Um, FLORIDA?!?!?!?! > > More K00l-Aid, anyone? You're talking about weather. Weather and climate are two different things. While the weather is quite cold, the average temperature is still much higher over the entire year than it was before CO2 started to rise.
From: in2dadark on 6 Jan 2010 20:57 On Jan 6, 2:06 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > 180,000,000 people in the US will be effected by arctic air this week, > with much lower than usual temperatures. > > Oh, wait. I forgot what Clinton said: "And you need to realize, some > areas will be getting colder." > > Um, FLORIDA?!?!?!?! > > More K00l-Aid, anyone? Freezing last night. I like it..:0) You should see the native Floridians. They're a riot. When it's cold I can find all of my customers AT HOME.. hugging the space heater..They're hilarious..
From: Mike Hunter on 7 Jan 2010 12:09 NOT TRUE! The CO2 level is less than on tenth of one percent of the atmosphere today. During the millions of years the dinosaurs roamed the earth it was closer to one percent according to the geological record. "Jeff" <jeff.utz(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:11fed307-ff1a-4c13-a1c7-78f7a6e0c2ee(a)q41g2000vba.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 6, 2:06 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> 180,000,000 people in the US will be effected by arctic air this week, >> with much lower than usual temperatures. >> >> Oh, wait. I forgot what Clinton said: "And you need to realize, some >> areas will be getting colder." >> >> Um, FLORIDA?!?!?!?! >> >> More K00l-Aid, anyone? > > You're talking about weather. Weather and climate are two different > things. While the weather is quite cold, the average temperature is > still much higher over the entire year than it was before CO2 started > to rise.
From: Jeff Strickland on 7 Jan 2010 13:13 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message news:4b46153a$0$13126$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... > Evidence? We are still waiting for the scientific evidence that proves > CO2, a gas the comprise less than one tenth of one percent of our > atmosphere, can effect the average temperature of the earth either up or > down. > > Why do you bury your head in the sand and deny that there is NO scientific > evidence that proves CO2, a gas the comprise less than one tenth of one > percent of our atmosphere, can effect the average temperature of the earth > either up or down > > I'm not here to advance the theory of global warming, but the notion is that you can erect a wooden framework in your backyard and cover it with a thin layer of plastic, and the temps inside the structure will be warmer than those outside. The plastic is clearly an insignificant barrier in any practical sense in terms of mass or any other measure, but the air trapped inside can support growing springtime plants in the dead of winter, so the idea that the air inside is warmer than the air outside is irrefutable. So, the theory goes that a thin layer of CO2 acts just like the plastic -- it traps air inside that is warmer than the air outside. (What is really trapped is solar energy, which warms the air.) Your argument, Mike, that the theory isn't proven is a bit of a misnomer. Your argument that the effect is insignificant is probably a better one to stand on. The greater cause of climate change is natural cycles of solar energy, and we can't do anything about that. One thing the greenhouse does that is not talked about is that it levels out temperature changes through out the day. As the sun rises, the barrier traps cold air from the night before and keeps the inside of the greenhouse cool for hours, then as the sun sets in the afternoon the greenhouse remains relatively warm, again, for hours. The heat source turns on and off -- the sun rises and sets -- yet the temps inside the greenhouse go up more slowly and go down more slowly. The temps inside the greenhouse are flatter than the temps outside. On a global scale, the cycles of warming and cooling would obviously not be days or weeks, or even years. The cycles would be decades or centuries, or even millinia, but the cycles would be the same. Heat Rise is phenomena that says when heat is applied to a point then removed, the heat will continue to rise several degrees, or at the very least remain at the same level for some period of time before it drops. Then the heat will fall or remain flat for a period after the heat is reapplied. Think of how your oven works, or a pot of boiling water. On a global scale, this lag time would take a very long time to be seen, and the global warming alarmists could be explaining today something that really happened thousands of years ago, and what's happening today will not be seen for thousnads of years. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the Global Wrming Alarmists are catching the temps inside the greenhouse after the sun has set, yet the temps have not fallen off yet. They are demanding public policy that will in effect take down the structure in the backyard so you can only grow in summer, yet they are ignoring the shortages that will result when Climate Change swigns to the sunset side of the pendulum once again. The planet has gone from hot to an ice age back to hot again. How hot? I can't tell. Will it go cold again? Why wouldn't it? If you take a block of ice out of the freezer and put it on the table outside, it will remain for some period of time. As it melts, the rate of melting speeds up as the ice is nearly gone. Most of North America was once covered with an ice sheet that began melting. We are nearing the end of the ice, so the rate of melting of the remaining ice speeds up. It's the whole Thermal Mass thing, where the mass of cold is diminishing so the rate that the mass recedes speeds up. The problem for the Global Warming Alarminsts is that they are trying to portray the increase in the rate of decline of the thermal mass as a manmade phenomena, but this measure -- loss of thermal mass -- is not nammade at all. They, the global warmign alarmists, have spent decades compiling data of the loss of thermal mass, and portraying that loss as human caused, but anybody that watches ice melt can see what I'm talking about.
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