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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 11 Nov 2009 20:07
On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:12:52 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:

> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
>> The government estimates 40 M Americans without healthcare. They include
>> 12M illegal aliens, who aren't really Americans, are they?
>>
>> That leaves 28 M Americans w/o healthcare.
>>
>> The US government already has MedicAid. Why didn't they just put them on
>> MedicAid?
>>
>> Why? Any good answers?
>
> Because there are income limits for Medicaid. If you make more than a
> certain amount, you aren't able to be covered.


So you take over an entire industry, rahter than raise the income limits?

The real answer I was looking for here is, they want control of the
healthcare industry.

They could have very easily raised the income limit for MedicAid. They
could have done it very quietly, on both sides of Congress, without
raising all the roofs they raised. They didn't want to because then they
wouldn't have control.

As a Doctor, you should see the goverrnment controlling healthcare as a
very dangerous situation.


And what happens after this Congress is (hopefully) voted out of office,
or retired and gone? This puts it in the lap of Cogresses to come, and
thet may not be a very good thing. The road to hell is paved with good
intentions. Hopefully a future Congress will come to it's senses and put
healthcare not back into the hands of the insurance co's, but in the hands
of the health providers, who know best what to do.

These people are politically correct morons.



From: in2dadark on 11 Nov 2009 22:18
On Nov 11, 7:05 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
> The government estimates 40 M Americans without healthcare.
> They include 12M illegal aliens, who aren't really Americans, are they?
>
> That leaves 28 M Americans w/o healthcare.
>
> The US government already has MedicAid. Why didn't they just put them on
> MedicAid?
>
> Why? Any good answers?

There's meidicaid, medicare, Tri-care, the VA, well child programs,
low income drug programs like PA's 'pace' and employer health plans.
If you can't find your way into one or more than one of these then you
are either trying to avoid it or don't deserve health care.

I have some of the most bumbling idiots in my insurance. Their
families put them in by buing life insurance on them. Most of them
have health insurance of some sort despite their best efforts to be
losers.

We already have public options. Now we have to spoon feed it to them..?
Good post.
From: in2dadark on 11 Nov 2009 22:20
On Nov 11, 9:24 pm, "ron" <rand...(a)teranews.com> wrote:
> Wouldn't it have made more sense to expand the income limits for medicaid
> possibly do some co-pays with the higher incomes and maybe   look at
> changing the ages/disability rules a bit for medicare to utilize the
> existing infrastructure/forms/fees to get it started instead of tearing up
> the 85% or so that are insured?  Then start solving the other perceived
> problems?
>
> if this wetdream passes, its going to be years to get anyone covered, IMHO.
>
> Ron

Expand medicaid a bit and lower medicare to age 60 and we'll have done
all we 'need' to do. The rest is up to the individual..
From: in2dadark on 11 Nov 2009 22:46
On Nov 11, 10:20 pm, Fatter Than Ever Moe <HardTimes(a)TheFarm> wrote:
> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:52:42 -0600, Fatter Than Ever Moe wrote:
>
> >> Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> >>> The government estimates 40 M Americans without healthcare. They include
> >>> 12M illegal aliens, who aren't really Americans, are they?
>
> >>> That leaves 28 M Americans w/o healthcare.
>
> >>> The US government already has MedicAid. Why didn't they just put them on
> >>> MedicAid?
>
> >>> Why? Any good answers?
>
> >>   Sounds good to me, all it takes is money.  We can print that stuff all
> >> day and night.
>
> > MedicAid was instituted by LBJ and the Great Society BS. It is an existing
> > Government Option healthcare plan.
>
> > Why wasn't that good enough for 2% of America?
>
>   Doesn't matter to me,  I'm thinking of dropping my health care
> insurance, and taking my chances on not needing anything major.  All
> through my life I've paid way way more for all kinds of insurance, house
> auto, health,  than I'll ever collect.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I've collected way more from my home owners policy than I'll ever pay.
Thank you Francis, Jeanne and Wilma...
From: larry moe 'n curly on 12 Nov 2009 02:43


Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote:
>
> The government estimates 40 M Americans without healthcare.
> They include 12M illegal aliens, who aren't really Americans, are they?
>
> That leaves 28 M Americans w/o healthcare.

The widely quoted figure of 45M uninsured Americans does not illegal
aliens. BTW, many illegals actually have private health insurance,
sold to them by American companies. Many also have mortgages -- or
had them, if they already paid them off.

> The US government already has MedicAid. Why didn't they just put them on
> MedicAid?

Medicaid is a terrible system because it's administered by the states,
and, more importantly, it's a program only for lower income people,
meaning people with less education and virtually no political clout.
So when politicians decide to cut spending, Medicaid is one of their
first targets, along with programs for children, who also don't vote.
IOW it's lousy because no powerful constituency cares about it. BTW,
Charles Peters, in one of his "Tilting At Windmills" columns,
mentioned that higher income people are more likely than the poor to
use Medicaid, and he did emphasize that he meant Medicaid, not
Medicare, which is for people of all incomes. You really need to read
him.

The best solution is to scrap Medicaid and implement universal
Medicare, the cheapest health insurance system we have in the US that
doesn't discriminate for preexisting conditions. Unfortunately Obama
is way too much of a center-right politician, and the crazies are
hysterical about the socialism bogeyman, even the crazies who are in
Medicare.

What's your realistic solution?

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