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From: Jeff on 23 Feb 2007 16:02

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
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>I have post the place to look a half dozen times.

You mean you posted something like "look the US Commerce Department website"
about a half dozen times.

You have never posted the exact URL.

Please post the exact URL.

Jeff

> mike
>
>
> "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
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>>> Try looking in the right place for what you need to find and that is
>>> definition for the first number of the VIN.. The places you looked do
>>> not tell you WHY a Camry made in Japan has a 'J' and not a number '4,'
>>> like those only assembled in the US? WHY does a Corolla made in Canada
>>> have a 2 and not a 1?
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Just point us to a reference that supports your claims. I am 100% certain
>> that the first digit has nothing to do with domestic content. But you
>> could prove me wrong by giving us one credible refernce. Is that too much
>> to ask?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>

From: Jeff on 23 Feb 2007 16:19

"C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:KTGdnTtL5cGRukvYUSdV9g(a)ptd.net...
>> You are confusing the NA parts content, with US content.. We know 2 , 3,
>> J K etc indicate the county of origin. However for those made in the US
>> 1 4 5 are assigned. Knowing that, logic tells you there must be a reason
>> WHY there are three numbers for the US rather than just one. ;)
>
> Mike,
>
> So you have created this whole fantasy based on faulty deductive
> reasoning? I thought as much. You have no proof at all, so please stop
> making this claim.
>
> I believe the different numbers are assigned because different "Ford" or
> "Toyota" entities are considered the Manufacturer or because the
> manufacturer wishes to differentiate the various products.
>
> Here are the Ford NA WMIs:
>
> VIN Code Vehicle Manufacturer Make Type
> 1F6 Detroit Chassis LLC, USA Ford Basic (Stripped) Chassis
> 1FA Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Passenger Car
> 1FB Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Bus
> 1FC Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Basic (Stripped) Chassis
> 1FD Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Incomplete Vehicle
> 1FM Ford Motor Company, USA Ford MPV*
> 1FT Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle)
> 1L1 Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Incomplete Vehicle - Limousine
> 1LJ Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Incomplete Vehicle (Hearse)
> 1LN Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Passenger Car
> 1ME Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury Passenger Car
> 1MH Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury Incomplete Vehicle
> 1ZV Automotive Alliance International (USA) Ford Passenger Car
> 2FA Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Passenger Car
> 2FD Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Incomplete Vehicle
> 2FM Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford MPV
> 2FT Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle)
> 2LM Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Lincoln MPV
> 2ME Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury Passenger Car
> 2MH Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury Incomplete Vehicle
> 2MR Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury MPV
> 3FA Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Passenger Car
> 3FD Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Incomplete Vehicle
> 3FT Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle)
> 3FN Blue Diamond Trucks S. De R. L. De C. V. Ford Truck (Completed
> Vehicle)
> 3FR Blue Diamond Trucks S. De R. L. De C. V. Ford Incomplete Vehicle
> 3LN Ford Motor Company, Mexico Lincoln Passenger Car
> 3ME Ford Motor Company, Mexico Mercury Passenger Car
> 4F2 Ford Motor Company, USA Mazda MPV
> 4F4 Ford Motor Company, USA Mazda Truck (Completed Vehicle)
> 4M2 Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury MPV
> 5L1 Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln MPV - Limousine
> 5LM Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln MPV
> 5LT Ford Motor Company, USA

Funny how Ford chose to use only <40% US content for Lincoln MPVs, 40-70% US
Content for Maxdan and Mercury MPVs, and >70% US content for Ford MPVs. And
they are often built on the exact same assembly line by the same workers
(who do not have USPS vehicles without license plates). You would expect
that if the first digit of the VIN acctually meant something about content
that Ford, Lincoln and Mercury vehicles would all have similar content, not
some <40% but not 40-100%, while some were 40-70%, but not <40% and >70% and
some never <70%. Something doesn't add up.

Mike, what was the exact URL that backs your claim? Not just go to some
goverment department site and look there.

Jeff

> I can't find a complete list of the valid Toyota WMIs but I do know:
>
> For the first digit:
>
> 1 = USA: NUMMI (USA, California)
> 4 = USA: TMMK (USA, Kentucky)
> 5 = USA: TMMI & TMMCA (USA, Indiana and California)
> 2 = Canada: TMMC
> J = Japan
>
> For the second digit:
>
> N = NUMMI
> T = Toyota
>
> For the third digit:
>
> D,G,K,X,1,2,7 = Passenger Car
> A,B,M,4 = Truck
> B = Truck
> E,L,3 = Multipurpose Passenger Vehicle (SUV)
> 5 = Incomplete Vehicle
>
> Ed
>

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