Are any Toyota products sold in US not made or assembled in US?
in [Toyota]
|
From: Mike Hunter on 16 Feb 2007 16:53 I have post the place to look a half dozen times. mike "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:9CnBh.2315$_73.956(a)newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:veWdnRG2vd2HY0jYUSdV9g(a)ptd.net... >> Try looking in the right place for what you need to find and that is >> definition for the first number of the VIN.. The places you looked do >> not tell you WHY a Camry made in Japan has a 'J' and not a number '4,' >> like those only assembled in the US? WHY does a Corolla made in Canada >> have a 2 and not a 1? > > Mike, > > Just point us to a reference that supports your claims. I am 100% certain > that the first digit has nothing to do with domestic content. But you > could prove me wrong by giving us one credible refernce. Is that too much > to ask? > > Ed >
From: C. E. White on 16 Feb 2007 19:32 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:lTCdnR9Q_81qukvYUSdV9g(a)ptd.net... >I have post the place to look a half dozen times. NO - you have made very hazy references and I have looked very hard. Nothing support your claim. Be specific, or admit you made it up. Ed
From: C. E. White on 16 Feb 2007 19:42 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:KTGdnTtL5cGRukvYUSdV9g(a)ptd.net... > You are confusing the NA parts content, with US content.. We know 2 , 3, J > K etc indicate the county of origin. However for those made in the US 1 4 > 5 are assigned. Knowing that, logic tells you there must be a reason WHY > there are three numbers for the US rather than just one. ;) Mike, So you have created this whole fantasy based on faulty deductive reasoning? I thought as much. You have no proof at all, so please stop making this claim. I believe the different numbers are assigned because different "Ford" or "Toyota" entities are considered the Manufacturer or because the manufacturer wishes to differentiate the various products. Here are the Ford NA WMIs: VIN Code Vehicle Manufacturer Make Type 1F6 Detroit Chassis LLC, USA Ford Basic (Stripped) Chassis 1FA Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Passenger Car 1FB Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Bus 1FC Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Basic (Stripped) Chassis 1FD Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Incomplete Vehicle 1FM Ford Motor Company, USA Ford MPV* 1FT Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle) 1L1 Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Incomplete Vehicle - Limousine 1LJ Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Incomplete Vehicle (Hearse) 1LN Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Passenger Car 1ME Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury Passenger Car 1MH Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury Incomplete Vehicle 1ZV Automotive Alliance International (USA) Ford Passenger Car 2FA Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Passenger Car 2FD Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Incomplete Vehicle 2FM Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford MPV 2FT Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle) 2LM Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Lincoln MPV 2ME Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury Passenger Car 2MH Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury Incomplete Vehicle 2MR Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury MPV 3FA Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Passenger Car 3FD Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Incomplete Vehicle 3FT Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle) 3FN Blue Diamond Trucks S. De R. L. De C. V. Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle) 3FR Blue Diamond Trucks S. De R. L. De C. V. Ford Incomplete Vehicle 3LN Ford Motor Company, Mexico Lincoln Passenger Car 3ME Ford Motor Company, Mexico Mercury Passenger Car 4F2 Ford Motor Company, USA Mazda MPV 4F4 Ford Motor Company, USA Mazda Truck (Completed Vehicle) 4M2 Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury MPV 5L1 Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln MPV - Limousine 5LM Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln MPV 5LT Ford Motor Company, USA I can't find a complete list of the valid Toyota WMIs but I do know: For the first digit: 1 = USA: NUMMI (USA, California) 4 = USA: TMMK (USA, Kentucky) 5 = USA: TMMI & TMMCA (USA, Indiana and California) 2 = Canada: TMMC J = Japan For the second digit: N = NUMMI T = Toyota For the third digit: D,G,K,X,1,2,7 = Passenger Car A,B,M,4 = Truck B = Truck E,L,3 = Multipurpose Passenger Vehicle (SUV) 5 = Incomplete Vehicle Ed
From: glenior on 17 Feb 2007 02:50 You can try decode VIN at VINchecker: http://www.autobaza.pl/ab/en/web/productaa0100 best regards g
From: Jeff on 23 Feb 2007 15:32
"C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:6csBh.2940$tD2.1518(a)newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message > news:KTGdnTtL5cGRukvYUSdV9g(a)ptd.net... >> You are confusing the NA parts content, with US content.. We know 2 , 3, >> J K etc indicate the county of origin. However for those made in the US >> 1 4 5 are assigned. Knowing that, logic tells you there must be a reason >> WHY there are three numbers for the US rather than just one. ;) > > Mike, > > So you have created this whole fantasy based on faulty deductive > reasoning? Mike claims that his friend, a former Ford engineer told him about this system or a link to web info on this system. > I thought as much. You have no proof at all, so please stop making this > claim. What do you mean "no proof?" There is lots of evidence. Like the fact that the digits are 1, 4, and 5. If Mike's claims were correct, don't you think that they would be 1, 2 and 3? Makes more sense. But the reality is that at first, only 1 was assigned to the US. Later, when it was clear that the US was running out of WMIs (World Manufactor IDs; every manufacturer which makes more than 500 vehicles gets one), 4 and later 5 were assigned to the US. Don't forget, Ford, AMC, GM, MCI, Thomas, Seagrave, Catapiller, American Indian, Chyrsler, Mack, White, and a whole bunch of vehicle makers get these, as well as some off-road vehicles (off-raod vehicles have their own VIN system since about 2001). All the digits and 21 letters are used (l, o,q, z and one other letter aren't used because they look like other digits or letters), so that means that only 31 x 31 or 961 possible WMIs exist for the first digit 1, same for 4 and for 5. So the reason why Ford, GM and Chrysler have 1's is that they were making vehicles when the US was assigned 1s. When Toyota and Honda came along, as well as Mercury and Lincoln trucks and SUVs, they got 4s and 5s. That's why nearly identical vehicles coming off the same assembly line have different first digits for the VIN. This also explains why there is no relationship between the first digit of the VIN and domestic content. http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-07-01-vin-shortage_x.htm Don't worry about Mike. He has been spewing this garbage for ages in alt.autos.ford, too. He keeps telling people it is in the Commerce Dept. web site. The Commerce Dept. doesn't regulate VINs, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration does. That's part of the Department of Transportation. You would think if Mike is right, it would be in the US Code or another site would mention his conjecture. But that isn't the case. And he keeps making up new stories about where he got his information from. Oh well. At least his imagination is active. Jeff > I believe the different numbers are assigned because different "Ford" or > "Toyota" entities are considered the Manufacturer or because the > manufacturer wishes to differentiate the various products. > > Here are the Ford NA WMIs: > > VIN Code Vehicle Manufacturer Make Type > 1F6 Detroit Chassis LLC, USA Ford Basic (Stripped) Chassis > 1FA Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Passenger Car > 1FB Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Bus > 1FC Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Basic (Stripped) Chassis > 1FD Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Incomplete Vehicle > 1FM Ford Motor Company, USA Ford MPV* > 1FT Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle) > 1L1 Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Incomplete Vehicle - Limousine > 1LJ Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Incomplete Vehicle (Hearse) > 1LN Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Passenger Car > 1ME Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury Passenger Car > 1MH Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury Incomplete Vehicle > 1ZV Automotive Alliance International (USA) Ford Passenger Car > 2FA Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Passenger Car > 2FD Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Incomplete Vehicle > 2FM Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford MPV > 2FT Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle) > 2LM Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Lincoln MPV > 2ME Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury Passenger Car > 2MH Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury Incomplete Vehicle > 2MR Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury MPV > 3FA Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Passenger Car > 3FD Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Incomplete Vehicle > 3FT Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle) > 3FN Blue Diamond Trucks S. De R. L. De C. V. Ford Truck (Completed > Vehicle) > 3FR Blue Diamond Trucks S. De R. L. De C. V. Ford Incomplete Vehicle > 3LN Ford Motor Company, Mexico Lincoln Passenger Car > 3ME Ford Motor Company, Mexico Mercury Passenger Car > 4F2 Ford Motor Company, USA Mazda MPV > 4F4 Ford Motor Company, USA Mazda Truck (Completed Vehicle) > 4M2 Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury MPV > 5L1 Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln MPV - Limousine > 5LM Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln MPV > 5LT Ford Motor Company, USA > > I can't find a complete list of the valid Toyota WMIs but I do know: > > For the first digit: > > 1 = USA: NUMMI (USA, California) > 4 = USA: TMMK (USA, Kentucky) > 5 = USA: TMMI & TMMCA (USA, Indiana and California) > 2 = Canada: TMMC > J = Japan > > For the second digit: > > N = NUMMI > T = Toyota > > For the third digit: > > D,G,K,X,1,2,7 = Passenger Car > A,B,M,4 = Truck > B = Truck > E,L,3 = Multipurpose Passenger Vehicle (SUV) > 5 = Incomplete Vehicle > > Ed > |