Are any Toyota products sold in US not made or assembled in US?
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From: C. E. White on 16 Feb 2007 07:32 "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message news:6049c$45d551aa$47c2b532 > I suspect that each automaker has its own system for determining the first > 3 digits for a vehicle. I've seen Toyota's internal documents which give > a completely different explanation from Mike's, and I would not be > surprised if the system that he gives is what Ford, but not necessarily > all automakers, use. I don't think it is anything Ford uses either. As I pointed out to Mike, a V-6 Automatic Mustang doesn't count as a Domestic vehicle (V-6 and Automatic come from Europe), yet they get a "1" for the first digit just like the V-8 version which does count as a domestic vehicle. Ed
From: C. E. White on 16 Feb 2007 14:29 "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2(a)mailcity.com> wrote in message news:veWdnRG2vd2HY0jYUSdV9g(a)ptd.net... > Try looking in the right place for what you need to find and that is > definition for the first number of the VIN.. The places you looked do not > tell you WHY a Camry made in Japan has a 'J' and not a number '4,' like > those only assembled in the US? WHY does a Corolla made in Canada have a > 2 and not a 1? Mike, Just point us to a reference that supports your claims. I am 100% certain that the first digit has nothing to do with domestic content. But you could prove me wrong by giving us one credible refernce. Is that too much to ask? Ed
From: mrv on 16 Feb 2007 14:36 On Feb 9, 8:13 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...(a)mailcity.com> wrote: > The only vehicles with a > 'Toyota' brand on the grill and a '1' as the first number of the VIN, are > those made in the GM/Toyota plant in California where the UAW contract > requires at least 75% US content. The NA parts label aside, the Camry for > example has a '4' as the first number of the VIN which indicates a US total > content of less than 70%, but more than 40%. The Tundra on the other hand > has a '5' as the first number of the VIN indicating a US content of less > than 40%. Are there certain percentages known for certain plants? The last time I subscribed to techinfo.toyota.com, I downloaded several pages from Toyota Technical Training that decode the Vehicle Identification Number for each model year. The only listing for the first digit is: 2005: World Source: J = Japan 1 = NUMMI 2 = Canada: TMMC 3 = Mexico: TMMBC 4 = USA: TMMK 5 = USA: TMMI & TMMCA > All hybrid and Lexus' models are imported That used to be true, until on Oct. 12, 2006 when the Toyota Camry Hybrid began to come off of the TMMK line (Kentucky). http://pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/View?id=TYT2006101281490
From: C. E. White on 16 Feb 2007 15:12 I suppose I should sumarized what I do know about WMIs (World Manufacturer Identifiers). These are the frst three digits of current VINs. The WMIs area actually assigned by the SAE, NOT, the US governement. This is explained at http://www.sae.org/standardsdev/groundvehicle/vin.htm . The first digit indicates the country of origin: 1, 4, 5 = US 2= Canada 3 = Mexico J = Japan SN-ST = Germany etc.... See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIN#World_Manufacturer_Identifier for amore extensive list. Fords assembled in Canada, like the Crown Victoria, get a "2" as the first digit. Toyotas assembled in Canada also get a "2" as the first digit. In neither case does this indicate that some percentage of the parrts were also built in Canada (or North America). Fords assembled in Mexico, like the Fusion, get a "3" as the first digit. Again this does not indicate that some percentage of parts were made in Mexico. Toyotas assembled in the US could have a 1, 4, or 5 as the first digit, just like a Ford assembled in the US. You might want to play with the Toyota VIN decoder at http://fleet.toyota.com/html/vin_decoder.asp. Some examples 1T1 = Toyota Passenger Car Assembled at NUMMI 4T1 = Toyota Passenger Car Assembled at TMMK (Toyota Kentucky) Here is a list of the domestic contnet of 2004 vehicles - http://www.levelfieldinstitute.org/docs/lfi-domestic-content.pdf It is my understanding that the current V-6 Mustang only qualifies as having 60 to 65% doemestic content, yet they still get a "1" as the first digit. Ed
From: Mike Hunter on 16 Feb 2007 16:49
You are confusing the NA parts content, with US content.. We know 2 , 3, J K etc indicate the county of origin. However for those made in the US 1 4 5 are assigned. Knowing that, logic tells you there must be a reason WHY there are three numbers for the US rather than just one. ;) mike "C. E. White" <cewhite(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:PeoBh.2857$tD2.1630(a)newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > I suppose I should sumarized what I do know about WMIs (World Manufacturer > Identifiers). These are the frst three digits of current VINs. The WMIs > area actually assigned by the SAE, NOT, the US governement. This is > explained at http://www.sae.org/standardsdev/groundvehicle/vin.htm . > > The first digit indicates the country of origin: > > 1, 4, 5 = US > 2= Canada > 3 = Mexico > J = Japan > SN-ST = Germany > etc.... > > See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIN#World_Manufacturer_Identifier for > amore extensive list. > > Fords assembled in Canada, like the Crown Victoria, get a "2" as the first > digit. Toyotas assembled in Canada also get a "2" as the first digit. In > neither case does this indicate that some percentage of the parrts were > also built in Canada (or North America). Fords assembled in Mexico, like > the Fusion, get a "3" as the first digit. Again this does not indicate > that some percentage of parts were made in Mexico. Toyotas assembled in > the US could have a 1, 4, or 5 as the first digit, just like a Ford > assembled in the US. You might want to play with the Toyota VIN decoder at > http://fleet.toyota.com/html/vin_decoder.asp. > > Some examples > > 1T1 = Toyota Passenger Car Assembled at NUMMI > 4T1 = Toyota Passenger Car Assembled at TMMK (Toyota Kentucky) > > Here is a list of the domestic contnet of 2004 vehicles - > http://www.levelfieldinstitute.org/docs/lfi-domestic-content.pdf > > It is my understanding that the current V-6 Mustang only qualifies as > having 60 to 65% doemestic content, yet they still get a "1" as the first > digit. > > Ed > > |