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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 7 Jun 2010 17:54 It has been recommended (RE: my '88 Supra with an apparent BHG...) that I PARK THE CAR AND PULL THE HEAD! So, this I will do. Given that once I pull the head the HG is toast even if it's not blown, I obviously have to buy a new one. I have seen them as low as $17; also $26, with $58 being the usual on-line price. Beck-Arnley wants ~$60, some places advertise Fel-Pro at $58, or $17, or $26. My band's guitar player said yesterday, "Eh, $12, big deal". I told him about the prices I was finding. Toyota's list is $115; the best on-line price I have found is $85 and the locval dealer will match that. I'm kinda answering my own question here. The 7M-GE has a nasty habit of blowing HGs, and IIRC the HG was replaced on this car a year before I bought it. he total cost of the job was a shade under $1,000. When I had the valve covers off to replace the gaskets I checked the torque on the head bolts and they were above 68 ft/lbs; the original spec was 58 ft/lbs and a Toyota TSB about BHGs said 72 ft/lbs (IIRC) was recommended, so whoever did the job knew they had to use the revised spec. I'm betting they used and off-the-rack gasket and maybe mostly responsible for why I have to do it again. So, do I go aftermarket, save a few bucks and perhaps have to do it all again in 7 years or so? The car is now 22 years old. If I do have to do the HG again it will be ~30 years old; it's not in *bad* shape, but it's not a Collector's Item, either. Or, do I spend the $85 and get the Real Deal and hope things are good enough to get another 80,000 miles out of it (it has ~220,000 now...)? The thing I SHOULD do, obviously, is pull the engine and have the whole thing refreshed. A local engine guy, who's one of the best in the country quoted me $2200 for complete bottom end refurb, and I know when I get it back it will be one of the best 7M-GEs in the country.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 7 Jun 2010 18:21 On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:08:23 +0000, Gary L Burnore wrote: > In alt.autos.toyota Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.gts> wrote: >> It has been recommended (RE: my '88 Supra with an apparent BHG...) that >> I PARK THE CAR AND PULL THE HEAD! >> >> So, this I will do. Given that once I pull the head the HG is toast even >> if it's not blown, I obviously have to buy a new one. >> >> I have seen them as low as $17; also $26, with $58 being the usual >> on-line price. Beck-Arnley wants ~$60, some places advertise Fel-Pro at >> $58, or $17, or $26. My band's guitar player said yesterday, "Eh, $12, >> big deal". I told him about the prices I was finding. >> > I put a felpro in mine on the blow, first was from toyota. It is still > running strong 150K later and I beat on it. Really? How much was it and where did you get it? Did you do this yourself? > >> The thing I SHOULD do, obviously, is pull the engine and have the whole >> thing refreshed. A local engine guy, who's one of the best in the >> country quoted me $2200 for complete bottom end refurb, and I know when >> I get it back it will be one of the best 7M-GEs in the country. > > The thing you should consider is getting one from japan, used, always > guaranteed at or less than 40K miles on the engine. Comes with pretty much > everything. Starter, alternator, another air conditioning compressor etc. > Last I saw (Toyota has since removed this lsit from their site. Don't ask me how I stumbled upon it...) was a whole bottom, NEW from Toyota was $2,500!!!! > >>
From: m6onz5a on 7 Jun 2010 18:26 On Jun 7, 5:54 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > It has been recommended (RE: my '88 Supra with an apparent BHG...) > that I PARK THE CAR AND PULL THE HEAD! > > So, this I will do. Given that once I pull the head the HG is toast even > if it's not blown, I obviously have to buy a new one. > > I have seen them as low as $17; also $26, with $58 being the usual on-line > price. Beck-Arnley wants ~$60, some places advertise Fel-Pro at $58, or > $17, or $26. My band's guitar player said yesterday, "Eh, $12, big deal". > I told him about the prices I was finding. > > Toyota's list is $115; the best on-line price I have found is $85 and the > locval dealer will match that. > > I'm kinda answering my own question here. The 7M-GE has a nasty habit of > blowing HGs, and IIRC the HG was replaced on this car a year before I > bought it. he total cost of the job was a shade under $1,000. When I had > the valve covers off to replace the gaskets I checked the torque on the > head bolts and they were above 68 ft/lbs; the original spec was 58 ft/lbs > and a Toyota TSB about BHGs said 72 ft/lbs (IIRC) was recommended, so > whoever did the job knew they had to use the revised spec. I'm betting > they used and off-the-rack gasket and maybe mostly responsible for why I > have to do it again. > > So, do I go aftermarket, save a few bucks and perhaps have to do it all > again in 7 years or so? The car is now 22 years old. If I do have to do > the HG again it will be ~30 years old; it's not in *bad* shape, but it's > not a Collector's Item, either. > > Or, do I spend the $85 and get the Real Deal and hope things are good > enough to get another 80,000 miles out of it (it has ~220,000 now...)? > > The thing I SHOULD do, obviously, is pull the engine and have the whole > thing refreshed. A local engine guy, who's one of the best in the country > quoted me $2200 for complete bottom end refurb, and I know when I get it > back it will be one of the best 7M-GEs in the country. Those cheaper ones are probably just the head gasket itself, while the $50+ ones are probably the whole headset.
From: clare on 7 Jun 2010 19:45 On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:54:23 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >It has been recommended (RE: my '88 Supra with an apparent BHG...) >that I PARK THE CAR AND PULL THE HEAD! > >So, this I will do. Given that once I pull the head the HG is toast even >if it's not blown, I obviously have to buy a new one. > >I have seen them as low as $17; also $26, with $58 being the usual on-line >price. Beck-Arnley wants ~$60, some places advertise Fel-Pro at $58, or >$17, or $26. My band's guitar player said yesterday, "Eh, $12, big deal". >I told him about the prices I was finding. > >Toyota's list is $115; the best on-line price I have found is $85 and the >locval dealer will match that. Buy Felpro > >I'm kinda answering my own question here. The 7M-GE has a nasty habit of >blowing HGs, and IIRC the HG was replaced on this car a year before I >bought it. he total cost of the job was a shade under $1,000. When I had >the valve covers off to replace the gaskets I checked the torque on the >head bolts and they were above 68 ft/lbs; the original spec was 58 ft/lbs >and a Toyota TSB about BHGs said 72 ft/lbs (IIRC) was recommended, so >whoever did the job knew they had to use the revised spec. I'm betting >they used and off-the-rack gasket and maybe mostly responsible for why I >have to do it again. > >So, do I go aftermarket, save a few bucks and perhaps have to do it all >again in 7 years or so? The car is now 22 years old. If I do have to do >the HG again it will be ~30 years old; it's not in *bad* shape, but it's >not a Collector's Item, either. > >Or, do I spend the $85 and get the Real Deal and hope things are good >enough to get another 80,000 miles out of it (it has ~220,000 now...)? The FelPro is at least as good as the original > >The thing I SHOULD do, obviously, is pull the engine and have the whole >thing refreshed. A local engine guy, who's one of the best in the country >quoted me $2200 for complete bottom end refurb, and I know when I get it >back it will be one of the best 7M-GEs in the country. >
From: clare on 7 Jun 2010 19:48
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:21:12 -0400, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:08:23 +0000, Gary L Burnore wrote: > >> In alt.autos.toyota Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.gts> wrote: >>> It has been recommended (RE: my '88 Supra with an apparent BHG...) that >>> I PARK THE CAR AND PULL THE HEAD! >>> >>> So, this I will do. Given that once I pull the head the HG is toast even >>> if it's not blown, I obviously have to buy a new one. >>> >>> I have seen them as low as $17; also $26, with $58 being the usual >>> on-line price. Beck-Arnley wants ~$60, some places advertise Fel-Pro at >>> $58, or $17, or $26. My band's guitar player said yesterday, "Eh, $12, >>> big deal". I told him about the prices I was finding. >>> >> I put a felpro in mine on the blow, first was from toyota. It is still >> running strong 150K later and I beat on it. > >Really? How much was it and where did you get it? >Did you do this yourself? > > >> >>> The thing I SHOULD do, obviously, is pull the engine and have the whole >>> thing refreshed. A local engine guy, who's one of the best in the >>> country quoted me $2200 for complete bottom end refurb, and I know when >>> I get it back it will be one of the best 7M-GEs in the country. >> >> The thing you should consider is getting one from japan, used, always >> guaranteed at or less than 40K miles on the engine. Comes with pretty much >> everything. Starter, alternator, another air conditioning compressor etc. >> > >Last I saw (Toyota has since removed this lsit from their site. Don't ask >me how I stumbled upon it...) was a whole bottom, NEW from Toyota was >$2,500!!!! > > > Back in 1989 a factory short block was $2800 Canadian - and that did not include the head, manifolds, timing covers, water pump, or anything. Just bare block with crank and pistons.(and rods) >> >>> |