From: dsi1 on
Heron McKeister wrote:
>
> Not really all that odd. As a former Fiat mechanic I can
> tell you that many Fiat first features (brake, OHC engine,
> carburetor ... designs) were later found on domestic cars.
>
Sure, I know what you mean. It took the rest of the world a while to put
out a twin-cam engine with a flat toothed belt timing belt.

I suspect that Subaru and other manufacturers might pay Fiat some cash
for license to use that parking brake design for disk systems. VW and
Volvo and probably others used Fiat's wonderful system of flat shims to
adjust valve clearances - they were all interchangeable. What I meant is
that it's odd because most other folks don't think much of Fiat.


From: dsi1 on
Heron McKeister wrote:
>
> Not really all that odd. As a former Fiat mechanic I can
> tell you that many Fiat first features (brake, OHC engine,
> carburetor ... designs) were later found on domestic cars.
>
Sure, I know what you mean. It took the rest of the world a while to put
out a twin-cam engine with a flat toothed belt timing belt.

I suspect that Subaru and other manufacturers might pay Fiat some cash
for license to use that parking brake design for disk systems. VW and
Volvo and probably others used Fiat's wonderful system of flat shims to
adjust valve clearances - they were all interchangeable. What I meant is
that it's odd because most other folks don't think much of Fiat.


From: Ray O on

"Heron McKeister" <not(a)home.com> wrote in message
news:Z4KAm.68673$6f4.48570(a)newsfe08.iad...
> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
> news:hau275$eut$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2009.10.11.23.30.54.466484(a)e86.GTS...
>> > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:11:15 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> >> news:pan.2009.10.11.03.34.02.715692(a)e86.GTS...
>> >>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:57:18 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Interesting thing: I beld the brakes the other day, and juice was
>> >>>>> flowing out, but when I did the pass side caliper the pressure was
>> >>>>> building and building and all of a sudden there was kind of a
>> >>>>> SLURP!
>> >>>>> and the juice started filling the cup. I looked and didn't see
>> >>>>> anything, but considering I just about completely refilled the cup
>> >>>>> 3
>> >>>>> times the other day, it sure was dirty.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> When the pressure builds that way and then just pops loose, the
>> >>>> interior lining of the brake hose could be deteriorated. A loose
> flap
>> >>>> from the lining could act as an obstruction, resulting in a spongy
> feel
>> >>>> with poor braking performance. On the wheel in question, if
>> >>>> applying
>> >>>> the brakes doesn't move the caliper piston and you know the piston
> and
>> >>>> sliders are free, then the hose is suspect.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hmmmm....I think I'll have another look at this...
>> >>>
>> >>> This is NOT good news...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Hoses are cheaper than calipers - the hose in question would be the
>> >> flexible one between the body and caliper or wheel cylinder, not the
>> >> metal
>> >> brake line from the master cylinder to the flex hose. You will
> probably
>> >> need a flare nut wrench to break the connections free. IIRC, you will
>> >> need a 10 mm wrench on a Toyota, probably the same on a Subie.
>> >
>> > I took a look at the setup when I did the other side this morning.
>> > Yeah,
>> > they join at the inner fender. Doesn't look too tough. I sprayed it
>> > with
>> > GM Heat Riser Lubricant (IMHO, much better then Blaster...) and the
>> > hose
>> > is $22 from AZ, but I'll bet it's cheaper from a Suby dealer. Most of
> the

>> > parts I've bought for this have been! (Go figure!)
>> >
>>
>> GM Heat Riser Lubricant is still available? One of the GM service
>> department techs turned me on to the stuff, and I always used to keep a
>> couple of cans handy
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> Best penetrating oil I've ever used, has NEVER once,
> given sufficient time, failed to perform par excellence.
>

You are preaching to the choir. I didn't realize that it was still
available so I was very stingy with the last can I had.

Chrysler dealers also had a heat riser lubricant in the same shape can with
the same big white nozzle that I suspect was supplied by the same company
that supplied GM's, but I have never used Chrysler's stuff so I don't know
if it works as well as GM stuff.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Heron McKeister on
"Roger Blake" <rogblake10(a)iname10.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhd70ep.g69.rogblake10(a)svalbard.freeshell.org...
> On 2009-10-12, Heron McKeister <not(a)home.com> wrote:
> > Not really all that odd. As a former Fiat mechanic I can
> > tell you that many Fiat first features (brake, OHC engine,
> > carburetor ... designs) were later found on domestic cars.
>
> Some of those features go back a good few years in the U.S>
> The 1949 Crosley featured disc brakes and an OHC 4-cylinder. engine.
>
> --
> Roger Blake

I wasn't referring to the concepts so much as I was
the actual design of the components which were
often indistinguishable or nearly so from one another.


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:56:28 -0500, Heron McKeister wrote:

> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
> news:hau275$eut$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2009.10.11.23.30.54.466484(a)e86.GTS...
>> > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:11:15 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> >> news:pan.2009.10.11.03.34.02.715692(a)e86.GTS...
>> >>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:57:18 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Interesting thing: I beld the brakes the other day, and juice was
>> >>>>> flowing out, but when I did the pass side caliper the pressure was
>> >>>>> building and building and all of a sudden there was kind of a
>> >>>>> SLURP! and the juice started filling the cup. I looked and didn't
>> >>>>> see anything, but considering I just about completely refilled the
>> >>>>> cup 3 times the other day, it sure was dirty.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> When the pressure builds that way and then just pops loose, the
>> >>>> interior lining of the brake hose could be deteriorated. A loose
> flap
>> >>>> from the lining could act as an obstruction, resulting in a spongy
> feel
>> >>>> with poor braking performance. On the wheel in question, if
>> >>>> applying the brakes doesn't move the caliper piston and you know
>> >>>> the piston
> and
>> >>>> sliders are free, then the hose is suspect.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hmmmm....I think I'll have another look at this...
>> >>>
>> >>> This is NOT good news...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Hoses are cheaper than calipers - the hose in question would be the
>> >> flexible one between the body and caliper or wheel cylinder, not the
>> >> metal
>> >> brake line from the master cylinder to the flex hose. You will
> probably
>> >> need a flare nut wrench to break the connections free. IIRC, you
>> >> will need a 10 mm wrench on a Toyota, probably the same on a Subie.
>> >
>> > I took a look at the setup when I did the other side this morning.
>> > Yeah, they join at the inner fender. Doesn't look too tough. I sprayed
>> > it with GM Heat Riser Lubricant (IMHO, much better then Blaster...)
>> > and the hose is $22 from AZ, but I'll bet it's cheaper from a Suby
>> > dealer. Most of
> the
>> > parts I've bought for this have been! (Go figure!)
>> >
>> >
>> GM Heat Riser Lubricant is still available? One of the GM service
>> department techs turned me on to the stuff, and I always used to keep a
>> couple of cans handy
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> Best penetrating oil I've ever used, has NEVER once, given sufficient
> time, failed to perform par excellence.

On my stuck bleeder, 'sufficient time' was less than 5 minutes!

Once it gets in the threads, rust doesn't stand a chance!