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From: Ray O on 10 Oct 2009 22:57 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2009.10.10.23.49.22.537812(a)e86.GTS... > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:10:48 -0700, johninky wrote: > >> On Oct 9, 5:46 pm, Hachiroku ???? <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >>> 1989 Suby GL Coupe, AWD. >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> One thing; the car has been siting since April, and the rotors were >>> rusty. After just a few miles the driver's side rotor came clean, but >>> the passenger's side just has a 1" stripe in the middle of the rotor. >>> I'm going to have a look at that caliper and see if it's stuck open, >>> scuff the rotor with a wire brush and install the pads and see what >>> happens. >>> >>> >> That makes sense. Car has 2 brake diagonal circuits. RF and LR is one >> circuit and the LF and RR is the other. You have air in the circuit you >> didn't bleed. Your brakes will always suck until both circuits are bled. >> No getting around this. > > > Gee, thanks a LOT, John! > > I'm going to try, very gingerly, to loosen the stuck bleeder tomorrow. > > Also, the pass side caliper was stuck in the open position, and after an > hour with emory cloth, Dremel, Syl-Glide and a Mighty-Vac seems to be > working OK. The puck wasn't stuck, the sliders were. > > Interesting thing: I beld the brakes the other day, and juice was flowing > out, but when I did the pass side caliper the pressure was building and > building and all of a sudden there was kind of a SLURP! and the juice > started filling the cup. I looked and didn't see anything, but considering > I just about completely refilled the cup 3 times the other day, it sure > was dirty. > When the pressure builds that way and then just pops loose, the interior lining of the brake hose could be deteriorated. A loose flap from the lining could act as an obstruction, resulting in a spongy feel with poor braking performance. On the wheel in question, if applying the brakes doesn't move the caliper piston and you know the piston and sliders are free, then the hose is suspect. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 10 Oct 2009 23:34 On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:57:18 -0500, Ray O wrote: >> Interesting thing: I beld the brakes the other day, and juice was >> flowing out, but when I did the pass side caliper the pressure was >> building and building and all of a sudden there was kind of a SLURP! and >> the juice started filling the cup. I looked and didn't see anything, but >> considering I just about completely refilled the cup 3 times the other >> day, it sure was dirty. >> >> > When the pressure builds that way and then just pops loose, the interior > lining of the brake hose could be deteriorated. A loose flap from the > lining could act as an obstruction, resulting in a spongy feel with poor > braking performance. On the wheel in question, if applying the brakes > doesn't move the caliper piston and you know the piston and sliders are > free, then the hose is suspect. Hmmmm....I think I'll have another look at this... This is NOT good news...
From: Ray O on 11 Oct 2009 01:11 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2009.10.11.03.34.02.715692(a)e86.GTS... > On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:57:18 -0500, Ray O wrote: > >>> Interesting thing: I beld the brakes the other day, and juice was >>> flowing out, but when I did the pass side caliper the pressure was >>> building and building and all of a sudden there was kind of a SLURP! and >>> the juice started filling the cup. I looked and didn't see anything, but >>> considering I just about completely refilled the cup 3 times the other >>> day, it sure was dirty. >>> >>> >> When the pressure builds that way and then just pops loose, the interior >> lining of the brake hose could be deteriorated. A loose flap from the >> lining could act as an obstruction, resulting in a spongy feel with poor >> braking performance. On the wheel in question, if applying the brakes >> doesn't move the caliper piston and you know the piston and sliders are >> free, then the hose is suspect. > > Hmmmm....I think I'll have another look at this... > > This is NOT good news... > Hoses are cheaper than calipers - the hose in question would be the flexible one between the body and caliper or wheel cylinder, not the metal brake line from the master cylinder to the flex hose. You will probably need a flare nut wrench to break the connections free. IIRC, you will need a 10 mm wrench on a Toyota, probably the same on a Subie. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 11 Oct 2009 19:30 On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:11:15 -0500, Ray O wrote: > > "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message > news:pan.2009.10.11.03.34.02.715692(a)e86.GTS... >> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:57:18 -0500, Ray O wrote: >> >>>> Interesting thing: I beld the brakes the other day, and juice was >>>> flowing out, but when I did the pass side caliper the pressure was >>>> building and building and all of a sudden there was kind of a SLURP! >>>> and the juice started filling the cup. I looked and didn't see >>>> anything, but considering I just about completely refilled the cup 3 >>>> times the other day, it sure was dirty. >>>> >>>> >>> When the pressure builds that way and then just pops loose, the >>> interior lining of the brake hose could be deteriorated. A loose flap >>> from the lining could act as an obstruction, resulting in a spongy feel >>> with poor braking performance. On the wheel in question, if applying >>> the brakes doesn't move the caliper piston and you know the piston and >>> sliders are free, then the hose is suspect. >> >> Hmmmm....I think I'll have another look at this... >> >> This is NOT good news... >> >> > Hoses are cheaper than calipers - the hose in question would be the > flexible one between the body and caliper or wheel cylinder, not the metal > brake line from the master cylinder to the flex hose. You will probably > need a flare nut wrench to break the connections free. IIRC, you will > need a 10 mm wrench on a Toyota, probably the same on a Subie. I took a look at the setup when I did the other side this morning. Yeah, they join at the inner fender. Doesn't look too tough. I sprayed it with GM Heat Riser Lubricant (IMHO, much better then Blaster...) and the hose is $22 from AZ, but I'll bet it's cheaper from a Suby dealer. Most of the parts I've bought for this have been! (Go figure!)
From: in2dadark on 11 Oct 2009 21:15
On Oct 9, 6:46 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > 1989 Suby GL Coupe, AWD. > > Spongy brakes. I did the obvious and flushed/bled, but it didn't help a > lot. > > I got a set of pads and waiting for the weather to clear. This car has > disc fronts and drum rears. When I did the flush/fill I was unable to > loosen the bleeder on the left rear backing, and didn't want to snap it > off, so that one is not flushed, but what came out didn't look too bad, > anyway. > > One thing; the car has been siting since April, and the rotors were rusty. > After just a few miles the driver's side rotor came clean, but the > passenger's side just has a 1" stripe in the middle of the rotor. I'm > going to have a look at that caliper and see if it's stuck open, scuff the > rotor with a wire brush and install the pads and see what happens. > > Too bad the rest of the car didn't stay as nice as the motor and > tranny...they're great. > > And parts are becoming scarcer than parts for my Supra! You've mastered the art of asking a question without actually 'asking' the question. Fer sure..Mom teach you that? |