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From: Ed White on 20 Oct 2009 13:52
On Oct 17, 2:06 am, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tundra's September YTD unit sales are down 50.8%, the second greatest
> drop in the segment after that of the Titan, more than twice the F-
> Series drop of 24.8% and considerably more than the segment's decline
> of 34.1%. In nine months, Toyota dealers have delivered just 56,599
> Tundras, which means total 2009 deliveries will fall short of the
> century mark for the first time since 2002.
>
> Actual transaction prices from Edmunds.com highlight the Tundra's
> declining clout. In eleven of the twelve months in 2008, Tundra sold
> at a higher transaction price than the F-150, Silverado 1500, Ram 1500
> and Titan. However, in every month of 2009, one or more of the
> domestic light-duty pickups has sold at a higher price than the Toyota
> product. This past September, average transaction prices for the Ram
> 1500 ($35,503) and F-150 ($34,824) were 7% and 5%, respectively, above
> that of the Tundra ($33,278).
>
> Full article:
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20091016/BUSINESS01/91015059/1331/busine...

The new Tundra was a disaster from the beginning. I don't think Toyota
management understood the type of truck buyers who were willing to buy
a Toyota. The old Tundra was a solid truck of a decent size and
actually had advantages over some of the competitor strucks. The new
Tundra is ridulosusly large, wildly overpriced and doesn't appear to
have any features that set it apart from the crowd of large "half-ton"
trucks. And the numerous quality and reliabilty problems have trashed
Toyota's reputation for quality in the eyes of many people. Spending
billions on the Tundra plant in Texas was probably the single dumbest
decision that Toyota managment has made in thirty years. I am sure
Toyota will survive the debacle, but I am also sure Toyota's current
management wish they had spent those billions on other products.

Ed
From: M. Balmer on 20 Oct 2009 22:43
>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>news:2qojd5dp3pmc6hr5g4l58jer17em50vvc7(a)4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:05:41 -0700, "M. Balmer"
>> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <<the Ram 1500
>>>
>>>Now there's a worthless POS
>>>
>>
>> No need for you to be so self-referential.
>
>No need for you to continually imitate a rat's penis.
>
No need for you to be so self-referential.


"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:55:29 -0700, "M. Balmer"
> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>>news:2qojd5dp3pmc6hr5g4l58jer17em50vvc7(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:05:41 -0700, "M. Balmer"
>>> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <<the Ram 1500
>>>>
>>>>Now there's a worthless POS
>>>>
>>>
>>> No need for you to be so self-referential.
>>
>>No need for you to continually imitate a rat's penis.
>>
> No need for you to be so self-referential.

>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>news:2qojd5dp3pmc6hr5g4l58jer17em50vvc7(a)4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:05:41 -0700, "M. Balmer"
>> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <<the Ram 1500
>>>
>>>Now there's a worthless POS
>>>
>>
>> No need for you to be so self-referential.
>
>No need for you to continually imitate a rat's penis.
>
No need for you to be so self-referential.


"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:55:29 -0700, "M. Balmer"
> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>>news:2qojd5dp3pmc6hr5g4l58jer17em50vvc7(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:05:41 -0700, "M. Balmer"
>>> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <<the Ram 1500
>>>>
>>>>Now there's a worthless POS
>>>>
>>>
>>> No need for you to be so self-referential.
>>
>>No need for you to continually imitate a rat's penis.
>>
> No need for you to be so self-referential.

>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>news:2qojd5dp3pmc6hr5g4l58jer17em50vvc7(a)4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:05:41 -0700, "M. Balmer"
>> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <<the Ram 1500
>>>
>>>Now there's a worthless POS
>>>
>>
>> No need for you to be so self-referential.
>
>No need for you to continually imitate a rat's penis.
>
No need for you to be so self-referential.


"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:55:29 -0700, "M. Balmer"
> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>>news:2qojd5dp3pmc6hr5g4l58jer17em50vvc7(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:05:41 -0700, "M. Balmer"
>>> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <<the Ram 1500
>>>>
>>>>Now there's a worthless POS
>>>>
>>>
>>> No need for you to be so self-referential.
>>
>>No need for you to continually imitate a rat's penis.
>>
> No need for you to be so self-referential.

>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>news:2qojd5dp3pmc6hr5g4l58jer17em50vvc7(a)4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:05:41 -0700, "M. Balmer"
>> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <<the Ram 1500
>>>
>>>Now there's a worthless POS
>>>
>>
>> No need for you to be so self-referential.
>
>No need for you to continually imitate a rat's penis.
>
No need for you to be so self-referential.


"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
news:esjmd5p5u00fs3c4n3vgtj3sesdvm7fj23(a)4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:55:29 -0700, "M. Balmer"
> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>>news:2qojd5dp3pmc6hr5g4l58jer17em50vvc7(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:05:41 -0700, "M. Balmer"
>>> <boogerpicker(a)wazoo.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <<the Ram 1500
>>>>
>>>>Now there's a worthless POS
>>>>
>>>
>>> No need for you to be so self-referential.
>>
>>No need for you to continually imitate a rat's penis.
>>
> No need for you to be so self-referential.


From: Steve on 22 Oct 2009 12:54

And where's the surprise here?


A massively over-bulked pickup introduced at the start of a gas price
spike. With no 3/4 or one-ton option to appeal to contractors. With no
diesel option to appeal to farmers, moving companies, RV-towing
retirees, or other mid-sized hauling operations. With an immediate
record of reliability problems guaranteed to scare away cautious,
bottom-line oriented, data-driven fleet buyers who don't buy into the
Japanese reliability mythos as readily as consumers.

It was a condo-dweller's weekend Home Depot run truck (or city poseur
truck to be blunt) introduced at the VERY instant in time when the
demand for city poseur trucks was guaranteed to tank.
From: E. Meyer on 22 Oct 2009 18:08
On 10/22/09 11:54 AM, in article LPidnVlgO8nAE33XnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d(a)texas.net,
"Steve" <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote:

>
> And where's the surprise here?
>
>
> A massively over-bulked pickup introduced at the start of a gas price
> spike. With no 3/4 or one-ton option to appeal to contractors. With no
> diesel option to appeal to farmers, moving companies, RV-towing
> retirees, or other mid-sized hauling operations. With an immediate
> record of reliability problems guaranteed to scare away cautious,
> bottom-line oriented, data-driven fleet buyers who don't buy into the
> Japanese reliability mythos as readily as consumers.
>
> It was a condo-dweller's weekend Home Depot run truck (or city poseur
> truck to be blunt) introduced at the VERY instant in time when the
> demand for city poseur trucks was guaranteed to tank.

When you put it that way, I get deja vu of a Nissan Titan.

From: Ashton Crusher on 23 Oct 2009 01:51
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:54:53 -0500, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote:

>
>And where's the surprise here?
>
>
>A massively over-bulked pickup introduced at the start of a gas price
>spike. With no 3/4 or one-ton option to appeal to contractors. With no
>diesel option to appeal to farmers, moving companies, RV-towing
>retirees, or other mid-sized hauling operations. With an immediate
>record of reliability problems guaranteed to scare away cautious,
>bottom-line oriented, data-driven fleet buyers who don't buy into the
>Japanese reliability mythos as readily as consumers.
>
>It was a condo-dweller's weekend Home Depot run truck (or city poseur
>truck to be blunt) introduced at the VERY instant in time when the
>demand for city poseur trucks was guaranteed to tank.


Is it really that bad? What have been the reliability problems? I
only know one person who owns a Tundra and he seems to like it. I
know several people with the Tacoma? the smaller one and they all
like them.
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