911 Tape: Runaway Lexus Driver Reported No Brakes
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From: bob on 30 Sep 2009 01:29 In article <h9upij$81o$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com says... > > "bob" <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.252ca317d0e6f6bd9896bb(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > In article <e2a78983-5aac-431d-aa07- > > 60f850e73d6b(a)x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, johngdole(a)hotmail.com > > says... > >> > >> Toyota issued a second recall related to floor mats. The first one > >> (Sep 2007) sure didn't help Lastrella's family of 4, who reported, > >> according to 911 tape, that the car had no brakes!! > >> > >> "Chris Lastrella, were killed after reporting to a 911 operator that > >> they could not stop their Lexus ES 350, as it careened down Route 125 > >> in Santee, Calif. The tape of the brief call was made public this > >> month. It features the voice of Lastrella, telling the operator that > >> the vehicle had no brakes. The call ended with occupants calling on > >> each other to pray." > >> > >> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20090929/AUTO01/909290412/1148/auto01/Government-issues--urgent--warning-to-remove-Toyota--Lexus-floor-mats > > > > The story I read on Yahoo today said that the NTSB had found that the > > floor mats in the vehicle were larger than the proper size. > > > > I don't know if that means that the proper sized ones wouldn't have this > > problem. > > > > Do Lexus vehicles have a hook to prevent the factory floor mats from > > sliding forward? > > > > Bob > > > > Yes. Thanks. So if the factory floor mats are installed correctly there is no problem, then why the recall? Were dealers installing incorrectly sized after market mats as dealer upgrades? Bob
From: Ray O on 30 Sep 2009 01:52 "bob" <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.252ca8affd05752a9896bd(a)news.eternal-september.org... > In article <h9upij$81o$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com says... >> >> "bob" <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:MPG.252ca317d0e6f6bd9896bb(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> > In article <e2a78983-5aac-431d-aa07- >> > 60f850e73d6b(a)x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, johngdole(a)hotmail.com >> > says... >> >> >> >> Toyota issued a second recall related to floor mats. The first one >> >> (Sep 2007) sure didn't help Lastrella's family of 4, who reported, >> >> according to 911 tape, that the car had no brakes!! >> >> >> >> "Chris Lastrella, were killed after reporting to a 911 operator that >> >> they could not stop their Lexus ES 350, as it careened down Route 125 >> >> in Santee, Calif. The tape of the brief call was made public this >> >> month. It features the voice of Lastrella, telling the operator that >> >> the vehicle had no brakes. The call ended with occupants calling on >> >> each other to pray." >> >> >> >> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20090929/AUTO01/909290412/1148/auto01/Government-issues--urgent--warning-to-remove-Toyota--Lexus-floor-mats >> > >> > The story I read on Yahoo today said that the NTSB had found that the >> > floor mats in the vehicle were larger than the proper size. >> > >> > I don't know if that means that the proper sized ones wouldn't have >> > this >> > problem. >> > >> > Do Lexus vehicles have a hook to prevent the factory floor mats from >> > sliding forward? >> > >> > Bob >> > >> >> Yes. > > Thanks. > > So if the factory floor mats are installed correctly there is no > problem, then why the recall? Were dealers installing incorrectly sized > after market mats as dealer upgrades? > > Bob I don't know what the actual problem is. The floor mats are probably sourced in North America, for whatever that's worth. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: SMS on 30 Sep 2009 11:45 bob wrote: > Do Lexus vehicles have a hook to prevent the factory floor mats from > sliding forward? I was at the Toyota dealer last night and they still had a big display of the thick all-weather floor mats (these have Toyota part numbers, they are not after-market). "NHTSA investigators determined that a rubber all-weather floor mat found in the wreckage was slightly longer than the mat that belonged in the vehicle, something that could have snared or covered the accelerator pedal." I wonder if these were the type of mats in the Lexus. I've had the problem of an after-market floor mat getting the accelerator stuck on a non-Toyota, but I used my foot to unstick it.
From: dsi1 on 30 Sep 2009 13:27 SMS wrote: > > I've had the problem of an after-market floor mat getting the > accelerator stuck on a non-Toyota, but I used my foot to unstick it. You have a very smart right foot. Hopefully, most folks will have feet as smart as yours. :-)
From: hls on 30 Sep 2009 16:09
"bob" <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.252ca317d0e6f6bd9896bb(a)news.eternal-september.org... > In article <e2a78983-5aac-431d-aa07- > 60f850e73d6b(a)x37g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, johngdole(a)hotmail.com > says... >> >> Toyota issued a second recall related to floor mats. The first one >> (Sep 2007) sure didn't help Lastrella's family of 4, who reported, >> according to 911 tape, that the car had no brakes!! >> >> "Chris Lastrella, were killed after reporting to a 911 operator that >> they could not stop their Lexus ES 350, as it careened down Route 125 >> in Santee, Calif. The tape of the brief call was made public this >> month. It features the voice of Lastrella, telling the operator that >> the vehicle had no brakes. The call ended with occupants calling on >> each other to pray." >> >> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20090929/AUTO01/909290412/1148/auto01/Government-issues--urgent--warning-to-remove-Toyota--Lexus-floor-mats > > The story I read on Yahoo today said that the NTSB had found that the > floor mats in the vehicle were larger than the proper size. > > I don't know if that means that the proper sized ones wouldn't have this > problem. > > Do Lexus vehicles have a hook to prevent the factory floor mats from > sliding forward? > > Bob Our Toyota Avalon and Solara both have these hooks on the drivers side, but not on the passengers side, which clearly signals that they dont want those carpets to slide into the pedal area. I bought some nice looking aftermarket mats for my car, and sure as heck they slide forward and can foul the pedals because they do not have this hook and eye arrangement. I suspect that this is the whole deal in a nutshell. I will have to stake down these protective mats, or get rid of them. |