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From: pheasant on 27 Jul 2008 08:44 One of the disadvantages of an older vehicle is the kids that work on them in an emergency tend to be younger than the vehicle; and aren't trained to do what the OBD reader doesn't tell them. Had to help daughter move yesterday. Took the old Toy for a 600 mile drive. Ended up only 300. Charge and Brake idiot light came on about 80 miles from destination. Figured after 25 years it was time for a new one. Made the drive in on battery (I reckoned). Stopped at a Toyota dealership; figured after 25 years I owed it a good one; done right. Course being Sat. and on the road, no junkyards to be found, the dealer didn't have a factory, so they put in an after market. It showed 13.4v and 25-30 amps while running. Seemed a little low yet, but should have been enough to kill the idiot lights. Paid, started it up, and the red lights were as bright as ever. They dinked around for 3 hours after they told me it was done and to come get it. They called a Toyota master tech, and he said Toyotas only like factory electrical stuff. Pretty much said it was ok to take it. Told 'em this is why I brought it in. Don't care to look at 2 red lights and hook up a gauge so I can know if my alternator is working. GEEZ!!! Guess I haven't worked on cars in nearly 25 years, but to me red lights need to be out. Figured they would have to assure the diodes are good before sending them out. So anyway, truck is stranded, we drove daughter's car home last night, her and her fiance will hopefully pick it up Tuesday and haul the furniture themselves. Interesting wedding stories in a few years to laugh at. Poor newlyweds, 90 degrees no air, 5 speed, and the old 4 wheel system that rides like a truck. Daddy couldn't save 'em the icky drive this time. Looking for your input when I talk to the guys Monday. Thanks. Mark -- "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein
From: sidneybek on 27 Jul 2008 21:10 On Jul 27, 5:44 am, pheasant <kiava...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > One of the disadvantages of an older vehicle is the kids that work on > them in an emergency tend to be younger than the vehicle; and aren't > trained to do what the OBD reader doesn't tell them. > > Had to help daughter move yesterday. Took the old Toy for a 600 mile > drive. Ended up only 300. Charge and Brake idiot light came on about 80 > miles from destination. Figured after 25 years it was time for a new > one. Made the drive in on battery (I reckoned). > > Stopped at a Toyota dealership; figured after 25 years I owed it a good > one; done right. Course being Sat. and on the road, no junkyards to be > found, the dealer didn't have a factory, so they put in an after market. > It showed 13.4v and 25-30 amps while running. Seemed a little low > yet, but should have been enough to kill the idiot lights. > > Paid, started it up, and the red lights were as bright as ever. They > dinked around for 3 hours after they told me it was done and to come get > it. They called a Toyota master tech, and he said Toyotas only like > factory electrical stuff. Pretty much said it was ok to take it. Told > 'em this is why I brought it in. Don't care to look at 2 red lights and > hook up a gauge so I can know if my alternator is working. GEEZ!!! > > Guess I haven't worked on cars in nearly 25 years, but to me red lights > need to be out. Figured they would have to assure the diodes are good > before sending them out. > > So anyway, truck is stranded, we drove daughter's car home last night, > her and her fiance will hopefully pick it up Tuesday and haul the > furniture themselves. Interesting wedding stories in a few years to > laugh at. > > Poor newlyweds, 90 degrees no air, 5 speed, and the old 4 wheel system > that rides like a truck. Daddy couldn't save 'em the icky drive this time. > > Looking for your input when I talk to the guys Monday. > > Thanks. > > Mark > -- > > "The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who > are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." > Albert Einstein If the brake and charge lights come on during revving of the engine then it's a sign that the carbon alternator brushes require replacing as this is the mileage for them to wear out. In alternators the brushes wear out on average every 140-170 000 miles where on the dashboard the brake & charge light both come on at the same time. About half of the auto electric shops in your local yellow pages sell carbon alternator brushes and copper solenoid starter contacts for about $5/pair. Another way to verify that the alternator is not charging is while the engine is running bring a metal screwdriver or any metal object near the alternator and if the alternator is working properly then it should act like a magnet and grab the screwdriver. For carbon brushes R&R: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/alternator_brushes http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27270&forumid=10 http://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota-truck-tech/191784-alternator-brush-change.html http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26734&highlight=alternator+brush+holder http://www.barneymc.com/toy_root/techtalk/electric/altrnatr.htm ftp://ftp.bauchan.org/Toyota/electrical/ln-rn-yn_series_alternator.zip http://forums.bauchan.org/portal/viewdownloads.php?rid=177 http://www.ttora.com/wiki/index.php/Alternator_Rebuild For decoding the dashboard lights: http://www.powerbase-auto.co.uk/alternator_faults.htm http://members.1stconnect.com/anozira/SiteTops/energy/Alternator/alternator..htm Here are part #'s for Toyota alternator carbon brushes and copper solenoid starter contacts which are used in about 95% of all Toyota vehicles. Toyota alternator Brushes with holder: Toyota # 27370-35060=$29 CDN Honda # 31105-PZ1-003 Metro # 39-82003 (www.metroautoinc.com ,Pomona,California) Unknown brand name # F4019-53035 Alternator brush only (qty:1 brush unless otherwise stated): AC Delco # E724 AC Delco # E731 (side wire and concave tip) Ace Electric # DA-61 (brush only),S-5367 (brush holder) Beck Arnley # 178-1669 (side wire and concave tip) Beck Arnley # 178-1376 Borg Warner # X580 (side wire and concave tip) Canadian Tire # 19-2050-6=$4.49/pair Daihatsu # 27370-87302-000 Daihatsu # 27371-63020-000 Daihatsu # 27371-87501-000 Daihatsu # 27371-70300-000 Echlin # E601=$8.16 CDN/pair (UAP/NAPA) Echlin # ECHE601 Echlin # EC480 Echlin # ECHE480 GP Sorensen # 255047 (side wire and concave tip) GM # 94123056 GM # 96054118 Honda # 31144-PD1-004=$9.72 Honda # 31144-PD1-0040 Honda # 31144-PD1-0030 Honda # 31150-PR7-A01 Honda # 31150-PTO-003 Hino Industries # 021660-0390 Hino Industries # 021660-0510 Isuzu # 8-94123-056-0 Isuzu # 8-97032-308-0 Isuzu # 8-97032-310-0 Mazda # 021660-0390 Mazda # 021660-0510 Mazda # KL47-18-W75 Metro # 38-82001(side wire concave tip) (www.metroautoinc.com ,Pomona,California) Mileage Plus # E601SB Mitsubishi # MD604474 Mitsubishi # 21660-0510 Niehoff # WA571 (side wire and concave tip) NipponDenso # 021660-0390 NipponDenso # 021660-0510 Standard # JX-116 (side wire and concave tip) Subaru # 021660-0390 Subaru # 021660-0510 Suzuki # 31631-82610 Suzuki # 31656-82611 Suzuki # 021660-0510 Toyota # 27370-42010 Toyota # 27370-75060 Toyota # 27371-63020= (up to 9105) (side wire and concave tip) Toyota # 27371-70300=(9105-9511) Toyota # 27371-76004-71 UAP/NAPA # MPEE601SB Victory Lap # FAX57=$4.49 CDN/pair (Canadian Tire) Wilson's Electric # 26-29-7534 (side wire and concave tip)=$2.20 each CDN (Diesel Auto Electric)(Parts for Trucks,box of 10 for $3.40 CDN) Specifications: Length=15 mm Width=7 mm Thickness=5 mm Lead length=49 mm These Honda alternators are the same except the pulley must be swapped: 1986-89 Honda Accord (Carb),the EFI can be used but the voltage reg must be swapped 1990-93 Acura Integra For alternator upgrade: http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/100alt/index.html http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/alternator http://home.earthlink.net/~twopapa/bigalt.htm http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/Projects/Chevy_Alt/Chevy_Alt.htm http://www.alternatorparts.com/Toyota_highoutput_alternators.htm http://www.rocketcityrockcrawlers.com/memberstuff/al/85%20Toyota%204Runner%20Alternator%20Upgrade%20Project.pdf 24 Toyota (NipponDenso now called Denso) starter repair sites: http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/tech/starter/ - http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/Starter.shtml http://char.tuiasi.ro/vw/reality/rogerb/4x4/CheapTricks/Starter.html http://yotarepair.com/startercontacts.html http://www.toyotaoffroad.net/afertig/88/starterrepair.htm http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/starter http://www.yotatech.com/~corey/tech/haveblue_starter/haveblue.htm http://www.sleeoffroad.com/technical/tz_starter_rebuild.htm http://www.startercontacts.com/install.htm http://www.startercontacts.com/images/OSGR_Exploded_view.jpg http://www.colorado4x4.net/tech/starter_contacts/starter_contacts.html http://www.barneymc.com/toy_root/techneek/starter.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/adherence.4x4/start_bj.htm http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166530 http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27312&forumid=10 http://www.toyotanation.com/showthread.php?threadid=27312&forumid=10 http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/Projects/starter/starter.htm http://www.tacomaterritory.com/boophoenix/starter.html http://www.tacomaterritory.com/boophoenix/starter/image01.jpg http://www.ttora.com/wiki/index.php/Starter_Rebuild http://www.yotatech.com/f128/starter-replacement-3-4-v6-engine-3rd-gen-4runner-76347/ http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=1079 http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/starting/1starter.pdf ftp://ftp.bauchan.org/Toyota/general_info/denso_solenoid_contact.zip ftp://ftp.bauchan.org/Toyota/electrical/ln-rn-yn_series_starter_motor.zip http://forums.bauchan.org/portal/viewdownloads.php?rid=176 http://forums.bauchan.org/portal/viewdownloads.php?rid=153 Starter contact kits (8mm ID hole): Ace Electric # S-5263 (only two contacts) Ace Electric # S-5264 (only two contacts) Metro # 66-82104 (only two contacts) (www.metroautoinc.com ,Pomona,California) Toyota # 28226-72010/80 (battery side)(also1KZTE-2LT-1KZT) Toyota # 28226-72080 (8808-9108) Toyota # 28226-16130 (9108-9308) Toyota # 28226-55050 (9308-9511) Toyota # 28226-70040 (9308-9511) Toyota # 28226-72040 (motor side if needed) Toyota # 28226-72010 (8808-9511) Toyota # 28226-74070 (9108-9511) (2000 Tundra & others) Toyota # 28226-22050 (2000 Tundra & others) Toyota # 28226-66060 (1993-1997 Land Cruiser 2.0 KW starters) For others besides 22R series: Toyota # 28226-54220 (motor side) (2LTE, 3L..LN13# IKZTE, 2L#, KZN130,LN108,112,85..4FC) Toyota # 28226-54250 (Diesel Surf 2.4TD, contains a new end cover and gasket) Toyota # 28226-54320 (battery side) (2LTE, 3L..LN13# IKZTE, 2L#, KZN130, LN108,112,85..4FC,3B-1HZ-BJ73-HZJ7#-1KZT-KZJ70) Toyota # 28226-17030 (battery side) (1H#-HDJ80-HZJ80) Toyota # 28226-56250 (battery side) (3B-1HZ-1PZ-PZJ7#) Starter contacts only (8mm ID hole): Ace Electric # S-5231 Ace Electric # S-5293 (crescent moon shape) Ace Electric # S-5295 (crescent moon shape) Metro # 66-82106 (www.metroautoinc.com ,Pomona,California) Tons more at: http://www.metroautoinc.com/PDF%20File/66-Denso%20Solenoid%20Contact.pdf Toyota # 28226-70040 Wilsons Electric # 45-29-6521 (set) Wilsons Electric # 45-29-6531 (set: one rectangular & one crescent) Starter brushes: AC Delco # D762 GP Sorensen # 255048 Standard # JX-117 Whether your starter uses two rectangular types or one rectangular and one crescent you can substitute with two squares or one square and one crescent so any of the above part #'s for those kits will be the right ones,or about half of the auto electric shops in your local yellow pages would sell aftermarket contacts for only $5 each or the pair. Sidney® Repairs TV's,VCR's,home/car audio out of my apartment E-mail:sidneybek(at)yahoo.com Dartmouth,Nova Scotia Canada 1995 Toyota 4-Runner,22R-E,G58 with 229 000 KM http://web.archive.org/web/20040312120415/www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/displayphoto?2002/12/22+126.raw+1019+Business+ http://web.archive.org/web/20040229023255/http://www.herald.ns.ca/cgi-bin/home/displaystory?2002/12/22+126.raw+Business http://groups.google.com/group/hfx.forsale/browse_thread/thread/43940ce83231ab85/4e4c696fbf04837f?q=sidney+tv+repair&rnum=1#4e4c696fbf04837f http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/May02/May18.html http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/SonyAudMod.html http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/sonytune.htm#sonynoi http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/Oct02/Oct028.html http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/Oct02/Oct029.html http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/Oct04/Oct041.html
From: johngdole on 27 Jul 2008 21:55
Excellent resource here, should come in handy for folks who want to easily fix starters and alternators when normal wear items go out. On Jul 27, 6:10 pm, sidney...(a)yahoo.com wrote: > If the brake and charge lights come on during revving of the engine > then it's a sign that the carbon alternator brushes require replacing > as this is the mileage for them to wear out. In alternators the > brushes wear out on average every 140-170 000 miles where on the > dashboard the brake & charge light both come on at the same time. > About half of the auto electric shops in your local yellow pages sell > carbon alternator brushes and copper solenoid starter contacts for > about $5/pair. > > Another way to verify that the alternator is not charging is while the > engine is running bring a metal screwdriver or any metal object near > the alternator and if the alternator is working properly then it > should act like a magnet and grab the screwdriver. > > For carbon brushes R&R: > > http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/alternator_brusheshttp://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27270&forum...http://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota-truck-tech/191784-alternator-bru...http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26734&highl...http://www.barneymc.com/toy_root/techtalk/electric/altrnatr.htmftp://ftp.bauchan.org/Toyota/electrical/ln-rn-yn_series_alternator.ziphttp://forums.bauchan.org/portal/viewdownloads.php?rid=177http://www.ttora.com/wiki/index.php/Alternator_Rebuild > > For decoding the dashboard lights: > > http://www.powerbase-auto.co.uk/alternator_faults.htmhttp://members.1stconnect.com/anozira/SiteTops/energy/Alternator/alte... > > Here are part #'s for Toyota alternator carbon brushes and copper > solenoid starter contacts which are used in about 95% of all Toyota > vehicles. > > Toyota alternator Brushes with holder: > > Toyota # 27370-35060=$29 CDN > Honda # 31105-PZ1-003 > Metro # 39-82003 (www.metroautoinc.com,Pomona,California) > Unknown brand name # F4019-53035 > > Alternator brush only (qty:1 brush unless otherwise stated): > > AC Delco # E724 > AC Delco # E731 (side wire and concave tip) > Ace Electric # DA-61 (brush only),S-5367 (brush holder) > Beck Arnley # 178-1669 (side wire and concave tip) > Beck Arnley # 178-1376 > Borg Warner # X580 (side wire and concave tip) > Canadian Tire # 19-2050-6=$4.49/pair > Daihatsu # 27370-87302-000 > Daihatsu # 27371-63020-000 > Daihatsu # 27371-87501-000 > Daihatsu # 27371-70300-000 > Echlin # E601=$8.16 CDN/pair (UAP/NAPA) > Echlin # ECHE601 > Echlin # EC480 > Echlin # ECHE480 > GP Sorensen # 255047 (side wire and concave tip) > GM # 94123056 > GM # 96054118 > Honda # 31144-PD1-004=$9.72 > Honda # 31144-PD1-0040 > Honda # 31144-PD1-0030 > Honda # 31150-PR7-A01 > Honda # 31150-PTO-003 > Hino Industries # 021660-0390 > Hino Industries # 021660-0510 > Isuzu # 8-94123-056-0 > Isuzu # 8-97032-308-0 > Isuzu # 8-97032-310-0 > Mazda # 021660-0390 > Mazda # 021660-0510 > Mazda # KL47-18-W75 > Metro # 38-82001(side wire concave tip) > (www.metroautoinc.com,Pomona,California) > Mileage Plus # E601SB > Mitsubishi # MD604474 > Mitsubishi # 21660-0510 > Niehoff # WA571 (side wire and concave tip) > NipponDenso # 021660-0390 > NipponDenso # 021660-0510 > Standard # JX-116 (side wire and concave tip) > Subaru # 021660-0390 > Subaru # 021660-0510 > Suzuki # 31631-82610 > Suzuki # 31656-82611 > Suzuki # 021660-0510 > Toyota # 27370-42010 > Toyota # 27370-75060 > Toyota # 27371-63020= (up to 9105) (side wire and concave tip) > Toyota # 27371-70300=(9105-9511) > Toyota # 27371-76004-71 > UAP/NAPA # MPEE601SB > Victory Lap # FAX57=$4.49 CDN/pair (Canadian Tire) > Wilson's Electric # 26-29-7534 (side wire and concave tip)=$2.20 each > CDN (Diesel Auto Electric)(Parts for Trucks,box of 10 for $3.40 CDN) > > Specifications: > Length=15 mm > Width=7 mm > Thickness=5 mm > Lead length=49 mm > > These Honda alternators are the same except the pulley must be > swapped: > > 1986-89 Honda Accord (Carb),the EFI can be used but the voltage reg > must be swapped > 1990-93 Acura Integra > > For alternator upgrade: > > http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/100alt/index.htmlhttp://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/alternatorhttp://home.earthlink.net/~twopapa/bigalt.htmhttp://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/Projects/Chevy_Alt/Chevy_Alt.htmhttp://www..alternatorparts.com/Toyota_highoutput_alternators.htmhttp://www.rocketcityrockcrawlers.com/memberstuff/al/85%20Toyota%204R... > > 24 Toyota (NipponDenso now called Denso) starter repair sites: > > http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/toyota/tech/starter/-http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/Starter.shtmlhttp://char.tuiasi.ro/vw/reality/rogerb/4x4/CheapTricks/Starter.htmlhttp://yotarepair.com/startercontacts.htmlhttp://www.toyotaoffroad.net/afertig/88/starterrepair.htmhttp://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/maintenance/starterhttp://www.yotatech.com/~corey/tech/haveblue_starter/haveblue.htmhttp://www.sleeoffroad.com/technical/tz_starter_rebuild.htmhttp://www.startercontacts.com/install.htmhttp://www.startercontacts.com/images/OSGR_Exploded_view.jpghttp://www.colorado4x4.net/tech/starter_contacts/starter_contacts.htmlhttp://www.barneymc.com/toy_root/techneek/starter.htmhttp://perso.wanadoo.fr/adherence.4x4/start_bj.htmhttp://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166530http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=27312&forum...http://www.toyotanation.com/showthread.php?threadid=27312&forumid=10http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/Projects/starter/starter.htmhttp://www.tacomaterritory.com/boophoenix/starter..htmlhttp://www.tacomaterritory.com/boophoenix/starter/image01.jpghttp://www.ttora.com/wiki/index.php/Starter_Rebuildhttp://www.yotatech.com/f128/starter-replacement-3-4-v6-engine-3rd-ge...http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?Article...http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/starting/1starter.pdfftp://ftp.bauchan.org/Toyota/general_info/denso_solenoid_contact.zipftp://ftp.bauchan.org/Toyota/electrical/ln-rn-yn_series_starter_motor...http://forums.bauchan.org/portal/viewdownloads.php?rid=176http://forums.bauchan.org/portal/viewdownloads.php?rid=153 > > Starter contact kits (8mm ID hole): > > Ace Electric # S-5263 (only two contacts) > Ace Electric # S-5264 (only two contacts) > Metro # 66-82104 (only two contacts) > (www.metroautoinc.com,Pomona,California) > Toyota # 28226-72010/80 (battery side)(also1KZTE-2LT-1KZT) > Toyota # 28226-72080 (8808-9108) > Toyota # 28226-16130 (9108-9308) > Toyota # 28226-55050 (9308-9511) > Toyota # 28226-70040 (9308-9511) > Toyota # 28226-72040 (motor side if needed) > Toyota # 28226-72010 (8808-9511) > Toyota # 28226-74070 (9108-9511) (2000 Tundra & others) > Toyota # 28226-22050 (2000 Tundra & others) > Toyota # 28226-66060 (1993-1997 Land Cruiser 2.0 KW starters) > > For others besides 22R series: > > Toyota # 28226-54220 (motor side) (2LTE, 3L..LN13# IKZTE, 2L#, > KZN130,LN108,112,85..4FC) > Toyota # 28226-54250 (Diesel Surf 2.4TD, contains a new end cover and > gasket) > Toyota # 28226-54320 (battery side) (2LTE, 3L..LN13# IKZTE, 2L#, > KZN130, LN108,112,85..4FC,3B-1HZ-BJ73-HZJ7#-1KZT-KZJ70) > Toyota # 28226-17030 (battery side) (1H#-HDJ80-HZJ80) > Toyota # 28226-56250 (battery side) (3B-1HZ-1PZ-PZJ7#) > > Starter contacts only (8mm ID hole): > > Ace Electric # S-5231 > Ace Electric # S-5293 (crescent moon shape) > Ace Electric # S-5295 (crescent moon shape) > Metro # 66-82106 (www.metroautoinc.com,Pomona,California) > Tons more at:http://www.metroautoinc.com/PDF%20File/66-Denso%20Solenoid%20Contact.pdf > Toyota # 28226-70040 > Wilsons Electric # 45-29-6521 (set) > Wilsons Electric # 45-29-6531 (set: one rectangular & one crescent) > > Starter brushes: > > AC Delco # D762 > GP Sorensen # 255048 > Standard # JX-117 > > Whether your starter uses two rectangular types or one rectangular and > one crescent you can substitute with two squares or one square and one > crescent so any of the above part #'s for those kits will be the right > ones,or about half of the auto electric shops in your local yellow > pages would sell aftermarket contacts for only $5 each or the pair. > > Sidney® ... |