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From: Ray O on 26 May 2010 00:31

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:A0%Kn.50665$jt.49120(a)newsfe04.iad...
> On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:01:03 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>
>>
>> "Dan" <drnwnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1ccd1c23-5199-4233-87d3-c3453c62c01d(a)40g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>>> 2006 Toyota Corolla with only 30k miles, automatic tranny. I am the
>>> second owner and the records show it was maintained properly and
>>> according to schedule.
>>> The automatic transmission shifts smoothly, however it makes a rather
>>> anoying whining noise, only at certain speeds and loads, and is more
>>> pronounced after the car has warmed up. Transmission fluid level is OK
>>> and the fluid color is dark red. Did I buy a lemon? Is this anything to
>>> worry about? Or is this a known issue with these models, maybe another
>>> sign of slipping Toyota quality? Anything I can try besides replacing
>>> the tranny fluid?
>>
>> Noise, vibration, and harshness are difficult to diagnose without
>> experiencing them first hand. Besides the transmission, other possible
>> sources of noises are the differential, wheel bearings, power steering
>> pumps, alternators, etc.
>>
>> My recommendation is to take it to a Toyota dealer and go for a test ride
>> with dealer personnel to determine source of the sounds.
>
> Do you have this somewhere you can copy and paste quickly? ;)

Before I became one of the people who went on test rides with customers if
they were not happy with the dealer's explanation or the dealer had trouble
identifying the sound, I was a customer relations analyst. As a CR analyst,
I used to have to give that line for all NVH issues so it became permanently
ingrained in my head, as did the toll-free number for Toyota's national CR
line. I just changed offices and don't have the phone number for my new
office memorized but I still remember the phone number from over 30 years
ago.

>
> Of course, I agree. Noises can be hard to ascertain even when you're
> standing next to the car.
>

Yup!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Dan on 26 May 2010 02:53
On May 26, 7:31 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>
> news:A0%Kn.50665$jt.49120(a)newsfe04.iad...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:01:03 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>
> >> "Dan" <drn...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1ccd1c23-5199-4233-87d3-c3453c62c01d(a)40g2000vbr.googlegroups.com....
> >>> 2006 Toyota Corolla with only 30k miles, automatic tranny. I am the
> >>> second owner and the records show it was maintained properly and
> >>> according to schedule.
> >>> The automatic transmission shifts smoothly, however it makes a rather
> >>> anoying whining noise, only at certain speeds and loads, and is more
> >>> pronounced after the car has warmed up. Transmission fluid level is OK
> >>> and the fluid color is dark red. Did I buy a lemon? Is this anything to
> >>> worry about? Or is this a known issue with these models, maybe another
> >>> sign of slipping Toyota quality? Anything I can try besides replacing
> >>> the tranny fluid?
>
> >> Noise, vibration, and harshness are difficult to diagnose without
> >> experiencing them first hand.  Besides the transmission, other possible
> >> sources of noises are the differential, wheel bearings, power steering
> >> pumps, alternators, etc.
>
> >> My recommendation is to take it to a Toyota dealer and go for a test ride
> >> with dealer personnel to determine source of the sounds.
>
> > Do you have this somewhere you can copy and paste quickly?  ;)
>
> Before I became one of the people who went on test rides with customers if
> they were not happy with the dealer's explanation or the dealer had trouble
> identifying the sound, I was a customer relations analyst.  As a CR analyst,
> I used to have to give that line for all NVH issues so it became permanently
> ingrained in my head, as did the toll-free number for Toyota's national CR
> line.  I just changed offices and don't have the phone number for my new
> office memorized but I still remember the phone number from over 30 years
> ago.
>
>
>
> > Of course, I agree. Noises can be hard to ascertain even when you're
> > standing next to the car.
>
> Yup!
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)

I'm sure the noise (whine) is coming from the transmission.
It's definitely a gears type of noise.
I wanted to know if anyone had a similar experience and whether it
eventually caused the transmission to fail,
or can I just "live with it".
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 26 May 2010 16:08
On Tue, 25 May 2010 23:53:51 -0700, Dan wrote:

> On May 26, 7:31 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote:
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>
>> news:A0%Kn.50665$jt.49120(a)newsfe04.iad...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:01:03 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>
>> >> "Dan" <drn...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:1ccd1c23-5199-4233-87d3-c3453c62c01d(a)40g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> 2006 Toyota Corolla with only 30k miles, automatic tranny. I am the
>> >>> second owner and the records show it was maintained properly and
>> >>> according to schedule.
>> >>> The automatic transmission shifts smoothly, however it makes a
>> >>> rather anoying whining noise, only at certain speeds and loads, and
>> >>> is more pronounced after the car has warmed up. Transmission fluid
>> >>> level is OK and the fluid color is dark red. Did I buy a lemon? Is
>> >>> this anything to worry about? Or is this a known issue with these
>> >>> models, maybe another sign of slipping Toyota quality? Anything I
>> >>> can try besides replacing the tranny fluid?
>>
>> >> Noise, vibration, and harshness are difficult to diagnose without
>> >> experiencing them first hand.  Besides the transmission, other
>> >> possible sources of noises are the differential, wheel bearings,
>> >> power steering pumps, alternators, etc.
>>
>> >> My recommendation is to take it to a Toyota dealer and go for a test
>> >> ride with dealer personnel to determine source of the sounds.
>>
>> > Do you have this somewhere you can copy and paste quickly?  ;)
>>
>> Before I became one of the people who went on test rides with customers
>> if they were not happy with the dealer's explanation or the dealer had
>> trouble identifying the sound, I was a customer relations analyst.  As
>> a CR analyst, I used to have to give that line for all NVH issues so it
>> became permanently ingrained in my head, as did the toll-free number for
>> Toyota's national CR line.  I just changed offices and don't have the
>> phone number for my new office memorized but I still remember the phone
>> number from over 30 years ago.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Of course, I agree. Noises can be hard to ascertain even when you're
>> > standing next to the car.
>>
>> Yup!
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> I'm sure the noise (whine) is coming from the transmission. It's
> definitely a gears type of noise. I wanted to know if anyone had a similar
> experience and whether it eventually caused the transmission to fail, or
> can I just "live with it".


I have a whine coming from the trans on my '88 Supra. It stops when I put
the trans in gear.,

The car is 22 years old. Still OK.


From: john on 26 May 2010 20:08
I'm sure it's a defect. However, if you read the following article
then you know Toyota is going to give you the run around in order to
save warranty costs.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/23/business/la-fi-lexus-20100523




On May 24, 12:01 pm, Dan <drn...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> 2006 Toyota Corolla with only 30k miles, automatic tranny.
> I am the second owner and the records show it was maintained properly
> and according to schedule.
> The automatic transmission shifts smoothly, however it makes a rather
> anoying whining noise, only at certain speeds and loads, and is more
> pronounced after the car has warmed up.
> Transmission fluid level is OK and the fluid color is dark red.
> Did I buy a lemon? Is this anything to worry about?
> Or is this a known issue with these models, maybe another sign of
> slipping Toyota quality? Anything I can try besides replacing the
> tranny fluid?

From: Ray O on 26 May 2010 17:28

"Dan" <drnwnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b6e67a4-b6a9-43c4-866e-27b48866abc1(a)i31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
On May 26, 7:31 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
wrote:
> "Hachiroku ????" <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>
> news:A0%Kn.50665$jt.49120(a)newsfe04.iad...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:01:03 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>
> >> "Dan" <drn...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1ccd1c23-5199-4233-87d3-c3453c62c01d(a)40g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> >>> 2006 Toyota Corolla with only 30k miles, automatic tranny. I am the
> >>> second owner and the records show it was maintained properly and
> >>> according to schedule.
> >>> The automatic transmission shifts smoothly, however it makes a rather
> >>> anoying whining noise, only at certain speeds and loads, and is more
> >>> pronounced after the car has warmed up. Transmission fluid level is OK
> >>> and the fluid color is dark red. Did I buy a lemon? Is this anything
> >>> to
> >>> worry about? Or is this a known issue with these models, maybe another
> >>> sign of slipping Toyota quality? Anything I can try besides replacing
> >>> the tranny fluid?
>
> >> Noise, vibration, and harshness are difficult to diagnose without
> >> experiencing them first hand. Besides the transmission, other possible
> >> sources of noises are the differential, wheel bearings, power steering
> >> pumps, alternators, etc.
>
> >> My recommendation is to take it to a Toyota dealer and go for a test
> >> ride
> >> with dealer personnel to determine source of the sounds.
>
> > Do you have this somewhere you can copy and paste quickly? ;)
>
> Before I became one of the people who went on test rides with customers if
> they were not happy with the dealer's explanation or the dealer had
> trouble
> identifying the sound, I was a customer relations analyst. As a CR
> analyst,
> I used to have to give that line for all NVH issues so it became
> permanently
> ingrained in my head, as did the toll-free number for Toyota's national CR
> line. I just changed offices and don't have the phone number for my new
> office memorized but I still remember the phone number from over 30 years
> ago.
>
>
>
> > Of course, I agree. Noises can be hard to ascertain even when you're
> > standing next to the car.
>
> Yup!
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)

I'm sure the noise (whine) is coming from the transmission.
It's definitely a gears type of noise.
I wanted to know if anyone had a similar experience and whether it
eventually caused the transmission to fail,
or can I just "live with it".

**********
A gear whine is not necessarily indicative of premature failure. Gear whine
is generally caused by a combination of gear-to-gear fit, loading, and gear
teeth cut and profile. Planetary gear sets in automatic transmissions are
generally very quiet, and I suspect that the source of the sound is not the
transmission. Since your car has a transaxle, the noise could also be
coming from the differential. Bad bearings sometimes make noises that sound
like gear noise.

Noises that occur only when the vehicle is moving is even harder to diagnose
without a chassis dyno and oscilloscope.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


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