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From: Frank Rowe on 19 Dec 2009 16:55
Brand new 2010 Camry, time for first oil change. Manual and oil cap
say "0W-20" Never heard of such a thing. Local Autozone has a 0W-20 in
Mobil 1 synthetic -at $7/quart. This makes my oil change (with filter)
cost $45+. Since we do 5K miles in 6 weeks, this is a notable expense
that I'd like to minimize.

This leads to three questions:

1) Is there a _legitimate_ reason for 0W oil in this car? Or do they
just use it to get the extra 0.3 MPG needed for their sales claims?

2) Is there a non-synthetic 0W20 grade oil, and where can I find it?

3) What kind of trouble will I have if I use 5W-20 instead (avaiilabe
for 1/3 the price)?

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 19 Dec 2009 17:45
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:55:56 -0500, Frank Rowe wrote:

> Brand new 2010 Camry, time for first oil change. Manual and oil cap say
> "0W-20" Never heard of such a thing. Local Autozone has a 0W-20 in Mobil 1
> synthetic -at $7/quart. This makes my oil change (with filter) cost $45+.
> Since we do 5K miles in 6 weeks, this is a notable expense that I'd like
> to minimize.
>
> This leads to three questions:
>
> 1) Is there a _legitimate_ reason for 0W oil in this car? Or do they just
> use it to get the extra 0.3 MPG needed for their sales claims?

They're trying to prevent sludging problems, save fuel, and modern
engines don't need thicker oil with better machined parts.

>
> 2) Is there a non-synthetic 0W20 grade oil, and where can I find it?

Yeah, but I'd stay with synthetic. It's better oil.

>
> 3) What kind of trouble will I have if I use 5W-20 instead (avaiilabe for
> 1/3 the price)?


Do you change the oil every 5,000 miles? You're probably not going to see
a difference.
From: dr_jeff on 19 Dec 2009 17:52
Frank Rowe wrote:
> Brand new 2010 Camry, time for first oil change. Manual and oil cap
> say "0W-20" Never heard of such a thing. Local Autozone has a 0W-20 in
> Mobil 1 synthetic -at $7/quart. This makes my oil change (with filter)
> cost $45+. Since we do 5K miles in 6 weeks, this is a notable expense
> that I'd like to minimize.
>
> This leads to three questions:
>
> 1) Is there a _legitimate_ reason for 0W oil in this car? Or do they
> just use it to get the extra 0.3 MPG needed for their sales claims?

What 0.3 mpg? How did you come up with this figure?

The 0W-20 motor oil will improve your mileage, but about the amount
stated. They don't it for sales claims, but CAFE.

> 2) Is there a non-synthetic 0W20 grade oil, and where can I find it?
>
> 3) What kind of trouble will I have if I use 5W-20 instead (avaiilabe
> for 1/3 the price)?


Saving money but using an extra 2 or 3 gallons of gas per oil change.
From: Tegger on 19 Dec 2009 18:08
Frank Rowe <r0we'south(a)bell'south.not> wrote in
news:3maqi5l2hlbn8qkce0ujkm8mrs9be5e9es(a)4ax.com:

> Brand new 2010 Camry, time for first oil change. Manual and oil cap
> say "0W-20" Never heard of such a thing. Local Autozone has a 0W-20 in
> Mobil 1 synthetic -at $7/quart. This makes my oil change (with filter)
> cost $45+. Since we do 5K miles in 6 weeks, this is a notable expense
> that I'd like to minimize.
>
> This leads to three questions:
>
> 1) Is there a _legitimate_ reason for 0W oil in this car? Or do they
> just use it to get the extra 0.3 MPG needed for their sales claims?



Not for sales claims, but for federal government CAFE regulations.

And for cold-starting performance, which is probably important to you if
you live in Idaho, Wyoming or Alaska. Or where Santa lives.


>
> 2) Is there a non-synthetic 0W20 grade oil, and where can I find it?



Not available. Even the 5W-20 is part-synthetic.

Viscosities that low are not possible in road-going automotive engine oils
without being at least part-synthetic.


>
> 3) What kind of trouble will I have if I use 5W-20 instead (avaiilabe
> for 1/3 the price)?
>


No trouble at all. In fact Toyota themselves state that 5W-20 provides
better engine protection than 0W-20 (see TSB EG018-06). Use 5W-20 and be
happy.



--
Tegger

From: in2dadark on 19 Dec 2009 18:36
On Dec 19, 4:55 pm, Frank Rowe <r0we'south(a)bell'south.not> wrote:
> Brand new 2010 Camry, time for first oil change. Manual and oil cap
> say "0W-20" Never heard of such a thing. Local Autozone has a 0W-20 in
> Mobil 1 synthetic -at $7/quart. This makes my oil change (with filter)
> cost $45+. Since we do 5K miles in 6 weeks, this is a notable expense
> that I'd like to minimize.
>
> This leads to three questions:
>
> 1) Is there a _legitimate_ reason for 0W oil in this car? Or do they
> just use it to get the extra 0.3 MPG needed for their sales claims?
>
> 2) Is there a non-synthetic 0W20 grade oil, and where can I find it?
>
> 3) What kind of trouble will I have if I use 5W-20 instead (avaiilabe
> for 1/3 the price)?

Don't you also have a cartrige filter on that? Is it more expensive
and harder to access?
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